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Default 3-D consumer displays that display 3-D & 2-D signals at Cinema quality frame rates

USA 3-D consumer displays that display 3-D and 2-D signals at Cinema quality frame rates




The following are the requirements that need to be met for any USA model to be included on this list


Only displays that properly display 3-D material at native 24Hz for each eye or display 3-D material at a minimum of 144Hz (72Hz for each eye) are including on this list. Displays that offer 192Hz, 240Hz, or higher multiplies of 48Hz are also included on this list as long as they do not require the use of 60Hz 3:2 pulldown, frame interpolation, or black frame insertion. If the display offers frame interpolation, black frame insertion, or 60Hz 3:2 pulldown, then for that display to be included on the list those features must be able to be turned off when watching both 3-D 48Hz and 2-D 24Hz Blu-ray material. 2-D 1080p/24 signals also need to be displayed at either the native frame rate of 24 Hz or multiplies of 24 (One of the following for 2-D sources: 24Hz, 48Hz, 72Hz, 96Hz, 120HZ, 144Hz, 168Hz, 192Hz, 216Hz, 240Hz, etc)


** The display must also offer a minimum of 1080P quality to both eyes in 3-D mode and 2-D mode. Warning: 144Hz Projectors when in the 144Hz 3-D mode are exempt from the 1080P for each eye requirement. The reason for this is that on some 2K 144Hz 3-D projectors that are used in the commercial movie theaters and also on all or almost all consumer 1080P 144Hz 3-D projectors there is a hardware bandwidth limitation which results in a small number of lines being dropped (normally somewhere between 24-76 lines are dropped depending on the brand and model number of the 144Hz projector). **


** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. At any time a display may be added or removed from the list to offer the most accurate information possible.



The following are all true 3-D displays with Cinema quality frame rates


4K 3-D Front Projectors (4096 x 2160)


Digital Projection Insight Laser 4K 3-Chip DLP (114-821) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)



1080P 3-D Front Projectors (1920 x 1080)




Digital Projection Lightning 45 1080p 3D (112-906) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Lightning 38 1080p 3D UC (112-912) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

** There are literally around 9 different Lightning 3D models to choose from. The list only includes a small sample of what Digital Projection INC offers. Click this link to see all the Lightning models and options. **

Digital Projection Titan Quad Reference 1080p 3D UC (112-145) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Titan LED 1080p 3D (114-461) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Titan 930 1080p 3D (113-568) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Titan 800 1080p 3D (112-487) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Titan 660 1080p UC 3D (112-579) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Titan 330 1080p L 3D (112-574) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

** There are literally around 43 different Titan models to choose from (Some 3-D and some only 2-D). The list only includes a small sample of what Digital Projection INC offers. Click this link to see all the Titan models and options. **

Digital Projection Mercury 930 WUXGA 3D (114-339) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) (1920 x 1200P model)

Digital Projection Mercury 930 1080p 3D (114-338) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection HIGHlite Laser WUXGA 3D (114-199) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) (1920 x 1200P model)

Digital Projection HIGHlite 730 WUXGA 3D (114-693) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) (1920 x 1200P model)

Digital Projection HIGHlite 730 1080p 3D (114-691) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection HIGHlite 660 WUXGA 3D (113-137) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) (1920 x 1200P model)

Digital Projection HIGHlite 660 1080p 3D (113-136) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection HIGHlite Cine 330 3D HB 1080p (113-411) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection HIGHlite Cine 330 3D HC 1080p (113-123) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 400 3D 1080p (112-818) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p (114-501) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma DH1011 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma EH200ST 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma EH415 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma EH501 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma EH503 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma EH505 WUXGA 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)(1920 x 1200P model)

Optoma GT1080 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD25e 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD25-LV 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD26 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD91 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD131Xe 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD131Xw 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Runco D-113d 1080p-3D (48Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Runco D-73d Ultra 1080p-3D (48Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Runco D-73d 1080p-3D (48Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Runco XtremeProjection X-200i 1080p-3D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 Immersive System (SIS) 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS PRO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS DUO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 NEO 3 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 NEO 20th 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)



** There are no 3-D flat panels or 3-D rear projectors on the market yet that offer Cinema quality frame rates in the 3-D mode **

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The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.


To view the old list of 2-D Front Projectors and 2-D Plasma displays that was on list 1 of 6 click the following link

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home-theater-gear/25688-displays-support-1080p-24-signal-multiplies-original-frame-rate-33.html#post2038533

To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays with LED backlighting that was on list 2 of 6 click the following link

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home-theater-gear/25688-displays-support-1080p-24-signal-multiplies-original-frame-rate-33.html#post2038534





The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays that was on list 3 of 6 click the following link

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home-theater-gear/25688-displays-support-1080p-24-signal-multiplies-original-frame-rate-33.html#post2038535

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The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays that was on list 4 of 6 click the following link

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home-theater-gear/25688-displays-support-1080p-24-signal-multiplies-original-frame-rate-33.html#post2038536

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The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D displays that was on list 5 of 6 click the following link

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home-theater-gear/25688-displays-support-1080p-24-signal-multiplies-original-frame-rate-33.html#post2038537

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The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.


To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays that was on list 6 of 6 click the following link

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home-theater-gear/25688-displays-support-1080p-24-signal-multiplies-original-frame-rate-33.html#post2038538

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This new review proves that Mitsubishi is using a 3:2 pulldown technique when converting 1080P/24 material to 60HZ. Then it converts 60HZ to 120HZ. The Mitsubishi remains off the list since it does not bypass the 3:2 pulldown process for 24fps sources.

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“ The set will also accept and display a 1080p/24 source, such ad Blu-ray or HD DVD. However, rather than the optimum technique of upconverting 1080p/24 to 1080p/120 directly, to match the native 120Hz frame rate of the set, 1080p/24 inputs are first converted to 1080p/60 by adding 3/2 pulldown. The set then handles the signal as it would any 1080p/60 input by frame-doubling it to1080p/120.”
http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/1107mits46144/
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Example of a 120HZ display that does not use 5:5 pulldown (120HZ) or 4:4 pulldown (96HZ) for 1080P/24 material. This Toshiba will not be added to the list.
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Curiously, ClearFrame also had the negative effect of introducing slight flickering noise in areas of fine detail during camera pans — such as the Vatican wall scene from Mission: Impossible III or a moving crane shot over trees in the church-fair sequence from Hot Fuzz. Toshiba confirmed that, with ClearFrame switched on, the TV performs frame interpolation even when fed a 1080p/24 signal. That's counter to displaying each frame multiple times — a simpler technique that some other TVs apply. So ClearFrame processing was the likely culprit here.”
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2474/toshiba-regza-cinema-series-52lx177-52-inch-lcd-hdtv-page3.html
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More documented evidence why some Sony displays are on the list and why currently no Toshiba displays are on the list.

According to page 39 of the winter 2008 Perfect Vision magazine the Sony KDL-40XBR4 refreshes 1080P/24 material at 120HZ. According to page 42 of the winter 2008 Perfect Vision magazine the Toshiba 46LX177 also displays 1080P/24 material at 120HZ but the Perfect Vision magazine has made it clear in the specification section on page 42 that the Toshiba uses a 3:2 pulldown process in which 1080P/24 material is converted to 60HZ first before being converted to 120HZ. Using a 3:2 pulldown process with 1080P/24 has no benefit when it comes to reducing judder,etc. Since Toshiba has chosen to use the 3:2 pulldown process instead of a 5:5 pulldown process this is why the Toshiba displays are not included on the list along with many other companies that have choosen to not use multiplies of the original frame when displaying 1080P/24 material. No displays that use 3:2 pulldown when a 1080P/24 signal is applied are included on the list.
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Documented reference that shows the Sony’s use a true 5:5 pulldown and bypass the 3:2 pulldown process with 1080P/24 material when Motion Enhancer is turned off

http://forum.hd-dvd.com/showpost.php?p=5581&postcount=37
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