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Old 12-02-2007, 10:41 PM
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I remember hearing that the Sony KDLXXW3000 can drop down to 24hz (it's regularly 60hz, but can process 24p). Should that TV be added to the list?
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:57 AM
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I remember hearing that the Sony KDLXXW3000 can drop down to 24hz (it's regularly 60hz, but can process 24p). Should that TV be added to the list?
As far as I am aware all the US models of Sony that properly display 1080P/24 are on the list. That includes all 120HZ Sony displays. Now Sony makes non 120HZ flat panels that display 1080P/24 material at 60HZ (those are not on the list). I tried searching for the KDLXXW3000 and could not find info on it.
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Old 12-03-2007, 01:17 PM
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For what it's worth, Sony's site has the TV able to show at 24fps...
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665119487
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:38 PM
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For what it's worth, Sony's site has the TV able to show at 24fps...
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665119487
Thanks for the link, I now know the exact model your talking about. This display accepts a 1080P/24 input but only displays the image at 60HZ as far as I am aware and that is why it is not on the list. When and if a professional review comes out for this display I will be watching to make sure it does not refresh at 48HZ and bypass the 3:2 pulldown. Every display on the market that has a 1080P/24 input will either refresh the image at the improper 60HZ using 3:2 pulldown or they will use the correct method of multiplies of the original frame (48HZ, 72HZ, 96HZ, 120HZ, etc). No display refreshes at 24fps because the image would be unwatchable with a visible flicker.
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:15 PM
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Ah, okay. The guy at the Sony store didn't know what he was talking about, then. I asked hime how it could handle 24p, given the tv refreshes at 60hz. He said it went down to 24hz.

It's also curious because all of the other Sony TVs working at 60Hz don't have the '24p' capability, according to the Sony website. Interesting. I guess we'll have to wait for reviews.
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:58 AM
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Just FYI. Fry's has got there A3000 for $600 off. You can get a 60" for $1599. Great deal!!! I got one and the PQ is amazing. It is as if you are on the field playing the game or in the Movie. Bourne was just freaky! POTC DMC was incredible.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:09 PM
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Update on the Sony VPL-VW200 refresh rate when a 1080P/24 signal is applied (192HZ refresh rate)


According to the excellent review of the Sony VPL-VW200 at UltimateAVmag.com the Sony VPL-VW200 panel does a 4:4 pulldown for 1080P/24 material and then is refreshed at 192HZ on the screen. So when both the “motion enhancer option” is turned off and the “film projection option” is turned off the VPL-VW200 panel will perform frame multiplication at 96HZ when a 1080P/24 signal is applied. 60HZ material will be converted to 120HZ by the panel. Then once the panel is finished converting the frame rate the actual image is refreshed on the screen at 192HZ for 1080P/24 material and 240HZ for 60HZ material. When motion enhancer is turned on the projector has a smoothing effect that makes film look like 60HZ video using interpolation of new frames. The Black frame insertion is a unique feature of this projector which is part of the “Film projection option” that can be turned off and on. Film projection option uses dark or black frame insertion (see review link for more details about black frame insertion)
This Sony VPL-VW200 is an excellent quality projector for $15,000. The Xenon bulb this projector uses has a beautiful color spectrum. With the bulb estimating half life at 2500 hours this $999 bulb is expensive to replace. Hopefully one day someone will figure out how to make a Xenon bulb that costs $300-$500 and lasts at least 3000 hours. Replacing bulbs every year or two for $999 can get expensive.

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Following quotes come from this review link http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/1207sonyvw200/index.html

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The VPL-VW200 can operate at frame rates of up to 120Hz. When it receives a source 1080p/24 frames per second (Hz) or 1080p/60 fps (Hz), it upconverts it to either 96Hz or 120Hz.”

If you turn off both the Film Projection and Motion Enhancer features, the extra frames needed to upconvert the source frame rate to 96Hz or 120Hz are produced simply by repeating frames. For more detail on the Motionflow feature, see "Poetry in Motion?" at the end of this review.”
“Sony also states that an SXRD display actually refresh at twice the frame rate. That means that when the panel receives a source that has been converted to 120Hz, the image is refreshed 240Hz. For 96Hz, it's 192Hz.”
See the following Poetry in Motion link for above quote in blue
http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/1207sonyvw200/index3.html
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:35 PM
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can a TV that didn't support 1080p/24 be able to support it via FW? talking specifically about Sharps new Aqous LC-XXD64U LCDs.
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can a TV that didn't support 1080p/24 be able to support it via FW? talking specifically about Sharps new Aqous LC-XXD64U LCDs.
In theory if the hardware is capable of 24HZ input then a firmware update would be possible. So far only select Front projectors have had a firmware update to offer 1080P/24 input.
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Old 12-19-2007, 10:56 AM
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In theory if the hardware is capable of 24HZ input then a firmware update would be possible. So far only select Front projectors have had a firmware update to offer 1080P/24 input.
i see. thanks.
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