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Old 05-10-2007, 11:09 AM
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Default What means more(2):cheap dual format players or YOUR format winning?

I see both sides of this war trying to position their format as the "one and only" way to go and some even get really excited when bad press comes out about the "other" format.
My question is: Would you "concede" and buy a fully compatible but affordable dual format player in the future IF there was no clear winner at that time?
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:19 AM
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Without doubt yes. There are a few movies mainly through Disney that I would like to get. It needs to be no more that $500 though. Otherwise I'll stick HD , get movies through Europe from Sony etc and wait for the odd ripped off Sony converted to HD from Hong Kong !!%-(
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:51 AM
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Absolutely! I went HD-DVD because of the inexpensive entry price right now. If a dual-format player gets reasonable next year, I will pick that up, and then who cares who wins?

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Old 05-10-2007, 11:54 AM
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I'd buy a dual-format if the quality was good, hell I'll buy a Blu Ray player if it wins the format "war". I don't really care which one ends up being standard. I bought a HDDVD add-on cause it was affordable and I liked the line up of movies, but I hope to upgrade to a better quality player when they drop a bit in price and it could easily be a Blu-Ray player.

I think all of this loyality is a bit over the top.
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:58 AM
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to be honest, if we take away all the rabid fanbois out there, we'll end up with the answer of... "I don't care who wins as long as one side does." the reason I say this is because it guarantees that consumers and manufacturers in general all win. Dual format players are nice, but in the end, to avoid further confusion for the consumer, a single unified format is preferrable.

Just think about this scenario by jp6. He walks into the local BB.
JP6: what's a player that can play this movie (pointing to a Blu-Ray Disc). BB: this Samsung Dual Player.
JP6: Dual player? What else does it play?
BB: HD DVD discs.
JP6: What's the difference?
BB: Honestly not a whole damn lot.
JP6: Then why have two formats?
BB: I don't know really. But my guess is because companies were greedy and couldn't work it out.

You see, to the normal consumer who hasn't bought into High-def yet they don't give a crap about whether HD DVD or Blu-Ray is winning. They just don't want to be confused. And as long as we have two formats, it will always be confusing to the average joe.

Having dual players doesn't solve that. Having a single unified format does. So my answer is... Having ONE format side win. Don't have to be my format side. But either one. Just make it unified.
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Old 05-10-2007, 12:04 PM
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If HD DVD were to stop, I'll enjoy the movies I have and I don't have any plans to get a Blu-ray drive. I'll probably wait to get a Xbox drive or for when players/the ps3 is in the $200 range.

I still think both formats are so ingrain now and share so much of the same technology aside from the disc structure that we'll end up with dual format players as the norm, and releases will be in HD or BD based on whichever best satisfies the content. Or I see HD/DVD flippers being the normal release and BD being the alternative release.
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I am format neutral now, and I could care less which format wins the war, as long as we have one format going forward.

About 6 months ago, I really felt that having two formats was not a bad thing. Since I have been neutral for some time and have had time to reflect, I think having two competing formats with exclusive studios on each side is hurting the consumer and will hurt HD in general.

As for dual format players, I think they are a band-aid. The current one on the market (LG) is around $1K and is a very poor HD DVD player (does not support HDi) and is a poor upconverting player as well. The upcoming Samsung player sounds too good to be true, and I am sure it will retail in the $800-900 range. We probably will not see decent $500 and under dual format players until late 2008 or early 2009 at the earliest.
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About 6 months ago, I really felt that having two formats was not a bad thing. Since I have been neutral for some time and have had time to reflect, I think having two competing formats with exclusive studios on each side is hurting the consumer and will hurt HD in general.
I agree completely. Competition is good in that it gives consumers a choice...but only if consumers WANT a choice! With things like technology formats, most consumers want a standard. Technology is expensive and especially this technology is more of a WANT than a need, so nobody wants to get stuck with losing equipment.

Is it any wonder most people are waiting for a winner? I am the first of my friends to go HD...ALL of the rest of my friends are waiting for a winner, and can't believe I bought a player this soon. HD cannot take off and be profitable for ANYONE until the companies-that-be stop fighting with each other...consumers don't care! The only other thing that will get HD to take off is if prices get so low people aren't afraid to lose...but we are nowhere near that right now.

So HD - and the consumer - suffer. Good job Toshiba and Sony! <:-|

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I agree completely. Competition is good in that it gives consumers a choice...but only if consumers WANT a choice! With things like technology formats, most consumers want a standard. Technology is expensive and especially this technology is more of a WANT than a need, so nobody wants to get stuck with losing equipment.

Is it any wonder most people are waiting for a winner? I am the first of my friends to go HD...ALL of the rest of my friends are waiting for a winner, and can't believe I bought a player this soon. HD cannot take off and be profitable for ANYONE until the companies-that-be stop fighting with each other...consumers don't care! The only other thing that will get HD to take off is if prices get so low people aren't afraid to lose...but we are nowhere near that right now.

So HD - and the consumer - suffer. Good job Toshiba and Sony! <:-|

Paul
Too right. Great post. I also have quite a few friends and family members who are waiting this one out. Although my father-in-law is a huge James Bond fan and I had him over to watch Casino Royale on Blu-Ray and he was blown away (quite sure he would have been equally blown away by HD DVD as well). Since then, he keeps asking me about Blu-Ray so I think he is getting close to buying a player since he has a 65" HDTV.

But the truth is, many folks may just go the upconverting DVD route for the next year or two until they feel comfortable investing in an HD player.

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I see both sides of this war trying to position their format as the "one and only" way to go and some even get really excited when bad press comes out about the "other" format.
My question is: Would you "concede" and buy a fully compatible but affordable dual format player in the future IF there was no clear winner at that time?
Previously I would have said "cheap dual format players" for sure. But now I'm no longer certain that a market without a clear winner will survive on its' own. So I would like to choose a slightly different alternative option.

I want a winner. It doesn't HAVE to be my preferred format, but obviously I'd prefer it A winner in general is more important then anything.
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