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Old 07-27-2007, 12:00 PM
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I know one advantage people say that Blu-ray has is that its size will allow studios to put extremely long movies (Lord of the Rings) on one disc, or that movies with tons of extras can be on one disc, or TV shows (like Smallville) can be on fewer discs than HD DVD. A lot of people would say, "Who cares? So I have to change discs slightly more often with HD DVD."

Well, think about Netflix (and maybe Blockbuster, but I've never used them so I don't know). If you order a movie that has all the special features on a separate disc, then you don't get to watch them since they only send the disc with the film on it. And for TV shows, you'll be able to watch the whole series faster since you'll have to cycle through fewer discs. And I don't even know how they deal with the Extended Edition LotR DVDs where the film is on two discs (of course there's no guarantee that the HD DVD version will need to be on two, however it seems likely if they want to include lossless audio).

I know this won't matter to non-Netflix users, but to those of us that use it extensively, this is an issue.

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i will hope that the lotr movies when on bluray are done on two discs with maximum video bitrate
rotk is 250 minutes and the bitrate will suffer if it is put on one bd50
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:27 PM
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i will hope that the lotr movies when on bluray are done on two discs with maximum video bitrate
rotk is 250 minutes and the bitrate will suffer if it is put on one bd50
Well, you may be right about that. Also, I fully expect a 7.1 lossless soundtrack for the Extended Editions, considering they used DTS ES Discrete 6.1 on the DVD versions. At any rate, I personally am not worried about that, since I will most definitely be buying and not renting those movies.
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:43 PM
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i will hope that the lotr movies when on bluray are done on two discs with maximum video bitrate
rotk is 250 minutes and the bitrate will suffer if it is put on one bd50
250 minutes -> 15000 seconds. 50Gb / 15000s * 8 bits/byte ~= 26 Mbps.

So, 1080p VC-1 for the main feature (15 Mbps), SD AVC for PiP (3 Mbps), Dolby TrueHD 7.1 24bits (5 Mbps), 3 Dolby Digital 5.1 (2 Mbps), some other features (1 Mbps). Total : 26 Mbps.
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250 minutes -> 15000 seconds. 50Gb / 15000s * 8 bits/byte ~= 26 Mbps.

So, 1080p VC-1 for the main feature (15 Mbps), SD AVC for PiP (3 Mbps), Dolby TrueHD 7.1 24bits (5 Mbps), 3 Dolby Digital 5.1 (2 Mbps), some other features (1 Mbps). Total : 26 Mbps.
oh please, not for me - you might want subpar hd but i do not

i will take 34 mbps vc-1 or avc encode for the main feature with 38 mbps peaks
7.1 24-48 pcm = 9.216 mbps
dolby digital = .640 mbps
total = 43.856 mbps
that is what bluray is all about
total space for rotk with this would be 80gb
main feature presented in the ultimate quality across two discs - hooray


hd dvd version
vc-1 encode at 22 mbps with 24 mbps peaks
truehd track at 4.7 mbps with 5.9 mbps peaks
dd track at 448 kbps
total = 27.148 mbps
total space for rotk hd dvd with this would be 49.7gb
main feature presented in the ultimate hd dvd quality across two discs? i am sure that would be a hooray from the hd dvd crowd also
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LOTRs will definitely be on 4 disks regardless of format, imo.
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I just hope New Line does not pull a Lucas and decide to hold off releasing LOTR until there is a clear winner in the format war. I want LOTR (extended versions only) on HD optical with high bitrate PQ and lossless more than any movie out there. More than Star Wars...
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I just hope New Line does not pull a Lucas and decide to hold off releasing LOTR until there is a clear winner in the format war. I want LOTR (extended versions only) on HD optical with high bitrate PQ and lossless more than any movie out there. More than Star Wars...
Me too (although I don't care about SW, never seen them, never will)
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Wrong. If a movie is on two dvds blockbuster will mail you both. So if you have a 3 movie at a time plan and one of the movies needs 2 dvds you actually get 4 dvd packages mailed to you and 4 free movies in store So your so called blu-ray advantage is actually a HD DVD advantage w/ blockbuster online as you'd get an extra free in store rental
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Wrong. If a movie is on two dvds blockbuster will mail you both. So if you have a 3 movie at a time plan and one of the movies needs 2 dvds you actually get 4 dvd packages mailed to you and 4 free movies in store So your so called blu-ray advantage is actually a HD DVD advantage w/ blockbuster online as you'd get an extra free in store rental
Well that's pretty nifty. I guess I should have gone with Blockbuster after all. Does that only apply to movies with two DVDs for the feature film, or do they send you the "extras only" discs as well? Would they send you all four discs from the Extended Edition LotRs?

Anyway, at least my TV series argument is still valid, so my original post isn't completely worthless. haha
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