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Old 01-11-2013, 04:42 PM
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Default Nostalgia, as I kind of miss the HD format war

I was reading CES information when I was thinking about Blu winning just over 5 years ago with WB's shocking everyone before CES 2008. Let me say first I love that every disc I want is available to me now and I don't need two different players, but here is why I miss the HD Wars.

1. Unlike a forum war for your favorite sports team it wasn't just fans fighting. We had companies, their employees, web sites all fighting for their color. Here and in other forums we had actual insiders with their takes and sometimes real information.
2. Like a WWE event we had companies changing sides!
3. It gave me something to do everyday and sometimes multiple hours a day instead of actually working. I still will come to HDD to check reviews of catalog titles, but I'm not here a tenth of when I use to be.
4. Back in the day I was more excited to see the clarity and sound of a good disc. Today I just expect it. There isn't the marvel I use to have over discs.
5. The deals! BOGO disks, Cheap players. It was like black friday every month with something.

I still love my discs. My internet tops out at 3Mb(grrr) so DD isn't a real option, but I do rip my discs to my computer and stream content to my PS3s and use the rips on phones\tablets. With bandwidth caps on cell phones, cable and DSL could we maybe get one more physical war with 4K?

Since this was a nostalgia thread i didn't alter my signiture from early 2008.
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With bandwidth caps on cell phones, cable and DSL could we maybe get one more physical war with 4K?
The only manufacturer that would be dumb enough to attempt a non-unified 4K physical format would be Toshiba at this point, and all the studios would probably kick them to the curb, since they don't want another format war.

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The only manufacturer that would be dumb enough to attempt a non-unified 4K physical format would be Toshiba at this point, and all the studios would probably kick them to the curb, since they don't want another format war.

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Wow, how smart. When are you leaving the psychiatric hospital?
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Wow, how smart. When are you leaving the psychiatric hospital?
Seriously, you'd would want two competing formats again? When you actually work in the industry and talk to the people involved, get back to me.

I'm sure there a spot in the psych ward for you, right next to Myopicraiderfan (He's probably been driven over the edge by the last 20 years of the Davis family regime.) :tongue:

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Seriously, you'd would want two competing formats again? When you actually work in the industry and talk to the people involved, get back to me.

I'm sure there a spot in the psych ward for you, right next to Myopicraiderfan (He's probably been driven over the edge by the last 20 years of the Davis family regime.) :tongue:

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Man, who said I want a new movie format? Seriously, are you ok?

I just didn't like your post against Toshiba as I am a HD DVD collector. 1080p was necessary and Toshiba made this possible for consumers, there is no reason to attack the company. Their HD DVD product was very good and consumer friendly (region free + interactive features without issues). By the way, only Sony is able to creat any new movie format in the future as they own the most movie companies lol.

We definitely don't need a new format as today still more people are buying DVDs than BD. Who would buy 4K stuff? Only people with huge screens who will see the difference of 2160p. This market is definitely too small. I also don't think the thread starter is hoping for a new format (4K against whatever). It was just a special time during 2006 and 2008, for me too and I know what he does mean. Your post are totally pointless.
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Man, who said I want a new movie format? Seriously, are you ok?

I just didn't like your post against Toshiba as I am a HD DVD collector.
Then you lose. The entire point of his post was to say that wishing for another format war is stupid and unlikely. You then called him mental but admitted it was only because you didn't like that his tone seemed anti-Toshiba and you're an HD-DVD collector. That seemed neither here nor there because, aside from saying that Toshiba was the only one likely to even consider another format war, his entire point was that it isn't going to happen and it's dumb.
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The only manufacturer that would be dumb enough to attempt a non-unified 4K physical format would be Toshiba at this point, and all the studios would probably kick them to the curb, since they don't want another format war.

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4K would not even be in the same category as basic HD like Blu ray. There would not be a format war, but a format upgrade. If we were to say that 4K and blu ray would be in a format war, then common sense and would tell us that DVD and BD are in a format war right now, and Blu ray is about to lose the format war.
I disagree with the Toshiba statement on your basis, as Toshiba was protecting the DVD royalties it holds and wanted to ensure future royalties with HD DVD, but had they known that Blu ray would be met with such apathy, they probably would have left well enough alone. They could try the 4k push for all I know, but looking at trends, digital seems to be the next entertainment vehicle.
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I disagree with the Toshiba statement on your basis, as Toshiba was protecting the DVD royalties it holds and wanted to ensure future royalties with HD DVD, but had they known that Blu ray would be met with such apathy, they probably would have left well enough alone. They could try the 4k push for all I know, but looking at trends, digital seems to be the next entertainment vehicle.
I understand that, but when every manufacturer and all studios, excluding WB (who had DVD royalties to be concerned with) and Universal, is fully backing Blu-ray, you have to establish a unified standard. Toshiba pulled a Sony (VHS/BETA) and decided their product was good enough that everyone would eventually buckle. Hell, Toshiba originally had Disney in their camp, and once they decided to side with the Blu-ray group before the official launch of HD-DVD and Blu-ray in 2006, Toshiba should have given it up. That would have been the fall of 2005 I believe, when it all went down, prior to everyone prepping for their CES presentations for 2006. - I think that was also when Microsoft started getting vocal and cause a lot of the problems we had to deal with throughout the format war. They got what they wanted, they stunted it's growth which was the main reason they even cared.

(It's ironic that Sony worked with others on DVD, learning from the VHS/Beta debacle)

I still cite that the so-called apathy towards Blu-ray had nothing to do with the format, but the fact there were two competing formats. Consumers do not like to be confused, and the core "sheep" need to be led. Multiple formats confuse them, and they wont spend the money.

Ultraviolet is also going to have to deal with this... They may have product from most of the studios, but unless you have Disney it's still a problem. Hell, most people still think Ultraviolet is free since it is packed in with discs, which accounts for 99% of 7 million accounts WB was touting at CES. The trick for the studios will be how do I sell something that most people feel has no value...

Look 4K as a home delivery format is at least 2-3 years away, and it very possible that they will try to delivery it digitally, but there are too many issues in delivering a high end format that way. (See Netflix's recent boasting about 3D and Super HD or what ever the hell they are calling it... Limited to specific ISPs which need to be carried by end users ISP provider.) Originally, I thought Blu-ray would be the last physical medium, but there are still too many bugs in the streaming system, and we might see one more physical format within the next five years. Hell, good old LPs are still being manufactured, obviously in limited quantities, so I can't see how there wouldn't be a physical format for home video.

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Hell, most people still think Ultraviolet is free since it is packed in with discs, which accounts for 99% of 7 million accounts WB was touting at CES.
More likely, most people have never even heard of Ultraviolet.
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My tone in the original post as far as another format war was sarcasm. I believe we will have 4K physical media using hi capacity blu as well as 4K streaming for those who want it. I don't think anyone will want to fight for a different medium when the financial rewards would seem to be declining. Blu and dvd will continue to be viable for the next 5 years and likely more right next to DD. The only physical war we will see is who owns the delivery(Playstation, Xbox, AppleTV, Telco Cable set top boxes) or if we fracture with every device capable of delivery multiple levels of content.
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