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Old 01-15-2011, 03:05 PM
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Well what do you know...

These guys could only wish for that kind of performance from Bluray. Good one Lee!
I never knew they didnt count game consoles as a dvd player in units sold.
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Old 01-15-2011, 03:29 PM
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No, I was actually surprised by this. 2004 was the peak. DVD failed to make up for lost VHS revenue from 2004 and on. Pretty surprising stuff. By the definition of some around here that would mean that DVD was a failure.
Your point is laughable.
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Old 01-15-2011, 03:40 PM
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I never knew they didnt count game consoles as a dvd player in units sold.
The DEG ignored DVD game systems because they didn't need them to get good penetration numbers. DVD sold 30 million SALs in the first five years.

DEG presentation from 2002 CES.
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Old 01-15-2011, 03:42 PM
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LOL - that's because you are using the adjusted DEG charts. Look what they published before the adjustment:

http://www.dvdinformation.com/news/press/CES010807.htm

So DVD did make up the declines of VHS - almost all of it.
Even if you use the non-adjusted numbers DVD did not make up for lost VHS revenue. You own chart shows it. 2004 was the peak.
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Old 01-15-2011, 03:57 PM
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Even if you use the non-adjusted numbers DVD did not make up for lost VHS revenue. You own chart shows it. 2004 was the peak.
Huh? Look at the total HVM spending from 2004 to 2006. DVD continued to increase while VHS decreased. The total HVM from 2004 to 2006 had only dropped $300M
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The DEG ignored DVD game systems because they didn't need them to get good penetration numbers. DVD sold 30 million SALs in the first five years.

DEG presentation from 2002 CES.
Look at that jump from 2000 to 2001. DVD more than doubled it's SA numbers to 31 million SA players! That's what I call taking off! Even with the PS3 Bluray isn't doing those numbers. That's why I laugh when I see people compare the two formats and use the phrase "on track" in the same sentence.
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The report shows that DVD grew the market during it's highest growth percentage years, and the market was flat when DVD started peaking.

From 1999 to 2000, DVD went from $1.1 billion to $2.4 billion. It went from $2.4 to $5.3 from 2000 to 2001. Two years of more than doubling. And it grew the market.

Of course once it stated to level out a bit it did not grow the market. Is the argument that Blu-ray growth is starting to slow percentage wise?

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Old 01-15-2011, 04:26 PM
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So basically in a nutshell when they claimed last week that bd is ahead of dvd at this point in time they are hiding it. They are way behind in hardware sales and software sales.

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Look at that jump from 2000 to 2001. DVD more than doubled it's SA numbers to 31 million SA players! That's what I call taking off! Even with the PS3 Bluray isn't doing those numbers. That's why I laugh when I see people compare the two formats and use the phrase "on track" in the same sentence.
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Old 01-16-2011, 11:10 AM
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Huh? Look at the total HVM spending from 2004 to 2006. DVD continued to increase while VHS decreased. The total HVM from 2004 to 2006 had only dropped $300M
Lee. HMV peaked in 2004. You can say that only dropping $300M is "close enough" but it still peaked in 2004.
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The report shows that DVD grew the market during it's highest growth percentage years, and the market was flat when DVD started peaking.

From 1999 to 2000, DVD went from $1.1 billion to $2.4 billion. It went from $2.4 to $5.3 from 2000 to 2001. Two years of more than doubling. And it grew the market.

Of course once it stated to level out a bit it did not grow the market. Is the argument that Blu-ray growth is starting to slow percentage wise?
DVD went from $2.4 billion to $5.3 billion in a year when VHS went from in a year when VHS went from $11.4 billion to $10.9 billion.


What folks are saying is that it is inconceivable (and unfair) to expect Blu-ray to go from $2.3 billion to $4.5 Billion in 2011. A year in which DVD is starting at $14 billion and likely to drop at least $1.5 billion.

Will Blu-ray software revenue (2011) be higher than VHS software revenue (2004)? The consensus seems to be "No" from those who will answer, and the question is unfair to those who will not answer despite DVD having a year with far greater growth (overshooting by almost a billion) when starting from the same place.
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