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Old 12-19-2011, 07:24 PM
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Difference between music industry and home video is that home video industry has rentals, where music industry did not.
Many differences between video and theatrical movie watching and music. People desire ownership of movies more than music as movie watching tends to be more involved than music which can be more background and done while doing other things. Songs can be more interchangeable than a specific movie and free music services can offer much of what music ownership brings from a consumer standpoint. Its not just the availability of rentals for video. Music has "rentals" as well in free over the air radio and low cost of free streaming services like Pandora Spotify and iHeart Radio as well.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:12 PM
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Many differences between video and theatrical movie watching and music. People desire ownership of movies more than music as movie watching tends to be more involved than music which can be more background and done while doing other things.
People who enjoy owning music say exactly the opposite. They can (and do) listen to their favorite artists time and time again, while they seldom can sit through a movie more than once.

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They could if Netflix didn't exist.
They could easily raise rental rates if discs didn't exist. If Netflix or Redbox disappeared tomorrow, Blockbuster or another kiosk vendor would be there would be another to take it's place.

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McInnes: I suspect that individual entrepreneurs will find a way (read: through retail acquisition), and, obviously, this could be an enormous and profitable advantage for our customers

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There are many differences.
The only difference I can see at this point is the size of the file.

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The bottomline is that if the studios killed off OD tomorrow they would be in worse shape than they are in today. So it is ridiculous to even think that they can or will.
I didn't say that OD would be killed tomorrow. Never did. But CD music sales, while now equal to digital sales, dropped to meet digital. Not because digital is better or worse (digital music CAN be better than CD quality), but because the music industry was incapable of figuring out an alternative, secure way to distribute music ownership securely across multiple devices.

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Hell, look at your CD example. They are still making more money off CD's in 2011 than they are digital sales.
CD sales declined 22% last year, and have been declining downward to meet digital for the last 10 years. Exactly the same way as video OD has been declining to meet digital, except CD started sooner.

The reason digital hasn't made up for lost sales is primarily casual piracy. That needs to be fixed. It can't be fixed as long as CDs exist.

Here is how well Warner Music did last quarter due to all those CD profits you speak about.

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The company reported $707 million in revenue for the three months that ended Sept. 30, the last day in its fiscal year, down 6 percent from the same period last year; its net loss for the quarter was $103 million, an increase of 124 percent from last year.
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Look UV is a step in the right direction, but it seems to have half-assed launch, and they still cannot get Disney, Apple, and Amazon to commit.
I can't disagree on the messy launch. I wonder what they were doing for the last 3-1/2 years. But it looks like Amazon will probably be there next month. Disney has said they don't want a format war with UV and that they would look into it at CES.

Apple, who knows? They aren't selling a lot of video. Why? Because their DRM locks consumers into Apple devices. Movies purchased on iTunes cannot be played on XBox, or PS3, or etc. It is not like MP3s.

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The studios need to get on the same page with UV very quick and cater towards the consumers needs, and not their own. You can't have people jumping through multiple portals to login. It needs to be seamless no matter what studio you buy or rent a movie from.
There are many companies with many agendas. Getting them to agree on anything is difficult when money is dropping from the sky.

Often times companies need desperate times to agree on desperate measures. The music industry is there now. Home video industry does not have to wait until it hits rock bottom.
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Many differences between video and theatrical movie watching and music. People desire ownership of movies more than music as movie watching tends to be more involved than music which can be more background and done while doing other things. Songs can be more interchangeable than a specific movie and free music services can offer much of what music ownership brings from a consumer standpoint. Its not just the availability of rentals for video. Music has "rentals" as well in free over the air radio and low cost of free streaming services like Pandora Spotify and iHeart Radio as well.
I doubt you could prove that.
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I doubt you could prove that.
c'mon mal. wouldn't you rather see POTC on ice than see the rolling stones in concert? Apparently people gather at a concert and mingle while the band plays in the background.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:12 AM
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You are seriously wanting to bring in the health of the music concert business?
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The reason digital hasn't made up for lost sales is primarily casual piracy. That needs to be fixed. It can't be fixed as long as CDs exist.
Youre gonna have to explain this.

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but because the music industry was incapable of figuring out an alternative, secure way to distribute music ownership securely across multiple devices.^^
Was? so... are they capable now?

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Old 12-20-2011, 03:10 AM
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Studios need to figure out how to raise the $1-$2 to $3-$4.
Nope.. The genie is out of the bottle and at this point there is simple no turning back. Customer perception has been forever altered to the understanding that rentals, even new release rentals are worth only a buck or two at best and that is not going to change.
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They could if Netflix didn't exist.
Nope.

At this point they would need to kill off both Redbox and Blockbuster as well to be able to stem the tide of $1-2 video rentals.

And even if they did.. I would be willing to bet that another enterprising company (after seeing how much cash there is to be made following the Redbox example) would step right in to fill the void.
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The reason digital hasn't made up for lost sales is primarily casual piracy. That needs to be fixed. It can't be fixed as long as CDs exist.
100% pure bullshit. Songs you get off of Amazon or iTunes don't have DRM, so they're even easier to pirate than CD's. Piracy in music is a non-factor, given the fact that they removed DRM from music download services. In absolutely no way or shape do having CD's make piracy easier.
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100% pure bullshit.
No, this is...

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Blu-ray will replace DVD eventually, we all know this.
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Songs you get off of Amazon or iTunes don't have DRM, so they're even easier to pirate than CD's. Piracy in music is a non-factor, given the fact that they removed DRM from music download services. In absolutely no way or shape do having CD's make piracy easier.
My point was that DRM can be added to downloads, but cannot be added to the CD format. I thought that would be obvious.
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