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Old 02-16-2008, 07:58 PM
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In a very specific way you're correct but I think the original poster was making the point that the professional version of Sony's Beta technology did very well. While a BetaSP deck can't play a Betamax tape, they share some design features and are based on the same concepts. The BetaSP equipment is way better obviously. While BetaSP is still in use today - SVHS (the "professional" version of VHS) didn't do as well. It's been a joke for more than ten years.
Agreed, Betamax technology was used.
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1080p is the recipient of the award for "The Meltdown Of The Forever".

This thread is AWESOME.

The internet is watching this forum with popcorn in hand to witness all of the epic meltdowns taking place here. It's great entertainment.
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Old 02-16-2008, 08:16 PM
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They also gave Fox a better protection scheme (BD+) after the common encryption scheme on both formats was cracked.

The BDA also offered a promise of better interactivity in the future than HDi could ever deliver with BD-Java.


So your saying that its a positive that they would change the encryption with out notice, a move that made several titles unplayable for weeks on end with several dedicated players?


you can just wake me up from my rip van wrinkle like nap when they finally do work out all the kinks with bd-java.


all though I guess I can that the BDA for all the money they have gone and saved me.
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Old 02-16-2008, 08:26 PM
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1080p = Epic meltdown
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Old 02-16-2008, 08:26 PM
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It is entirely possible, if not likely, that HD-DVD will continue on as a format used in the PC industry in at least some capacity.
No, it isn't. Blu-ray already has a writable option so read-only HD DVD will not take off in pc-world. Companies will not put their software on HD DVD-disc before there are HD DVD drives to read that software and since no one will buy a HD DVD drive to their pc before there is some use to it...

(Blu-ray won't be common any time soon in pc-world too, but it will slowly gain more users when drives and writable discs get cheaper. And possibility to view movies won't hurt either.)
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It's way too early to make the claim I bolded. The PC industry is not driven by back room deals with Hollywood moguls. HD-DVD enjoys production cost advantages over Blu-ray, and LG has already implemented HD-DVD support in their Super Multi line of drives. It is entirely possible, if not likely, that HD-DVD will continue on as a format used in the PC industry in at least some capacity.
First, only Toshiba produces HD DVD burners, LG makes only readers, not writers. And the Toshiba (at least in the tests I read) wasn't quite on par with writing, the second layer of a just burned HD DVD-R-DL was almost unreadable (readable by the burner itself, but not the external Xbox HD DVD drive). Besides, there is currently no HD DVD burner that does HD DVD-RWs.
On the BD side, there is some selection available, e.g. from Sony, LG, Pioneer. And generally, their burn quality is quite good. And current speed is 4x, possibly 6x this year. The "fastest" HD DVD burner does 1x.
Secondly, BD-Rs and BD-REs are readily available in SL and DL versions from many manufacturers, while there are only HD-DVD-Rs in SL from half of that, and DL only from one manufacturer, i.e. Verbatim. And the price difference is nominal (BDs are slightly more expensive, but also have more space).

So all in all, the BD position looks much better. And looking at the "J6P" of half geeks, at least here in europe, the Toshiba HD DVD burner is only available as a OEM drive, not as pickup from B&M stores. The BD burners are (at least some models). So he's more likely to buy a BD burner.
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Old 02-16-2008, 08:39 PM
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After Betamax lost the format war to VHS, VHS became the home video format. However, outside the the home video market, the broadcasting industry used Betamax as the industry standard format, and Sony continued to produce and sell Betamax to the broadcasting industry. In the end, Betamax actually outlived VHS. As DVD replaced VHS, the broadcasting industry actually continued to use Betamax, and Sony earned back its investment on Betamax from the broadcasting industry.
Beta max was far more entrenched in the market before Sony pulled the pin on that. Relatively speaking of course, for the day, many, what would be reffered to today as mainstream consumers, had beta max players.

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In the case of HD DVD, it's a completely different ending. HD DVD is completely DEAD. According to The Hollywood Reporter and Japan Broadcast Corporation (NHK), Toshiba will basically just bail and pull out of HD DVD production. Which means when that point onward, there will be no more HD DVD being made or sold. There will be no place for HD DVD to exist -- not the home video industry, nor the broadcasting industry, not even the PC industry.
And other than parroting the same story/source, none of these reports contain any official statements from Toshiba.


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It's a complete and utter defeat for HD DVD. Toshiba is completely humilated and defeated. Given their "Samurai" way, I wonder if any Japanese Toshiba exec is gonna commit suicide.
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Rubbish. Toshiba has more revenue streams than just HD DVD.
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1080p = Epic meltdown
LMAO
At one of the meny PS3 owners who spend more time on here then they do playing a Blu ray disc.
As if they are bots in the BDA cult in their never ending crusade to recrute more PS3 buyers so Sony would pay more attention on games than movies.


So tell me wise one how and when will the mighty god bestoe a defeat to the even more powerful DVD?

The smackdown is just a mini Bluray.com.. too funny.
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Old 02-16-2008, 08:43 PM
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What the hell are you talking about? How did HD DVD give consumers a choice when they bought out Paramount and Dreamworks? How did HD DVD give consumers a choice when the only HD DVD players that were available for the first year were made buy Toshiba? Yes, the 360 HD DVD drive was manufactured by Toshiba along with the Onkyo player. Granted there were the expensive LG and Samsung combos, but basically there was a Toshiba monopoly in stand alone HD Players. Customers choice? Not really.

I tend to think you know nothing about business. Why would a business not use every advantage available to them? If companies played the way you want they wouldn't be in business very long. They would be destroyed by competition.

Is it me or does every Blu fan not read the comments?
They always twist the shit to their liking
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LMAO
At one of the meny PS3 owners who spend more time on here then they do playing a Blu ray disc.
Wow, with 1500 posts, I could ask you the same thing. When do you find time to watch HD DVDs?
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