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Old 02-17-2008, 12:39 PM
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and with crazed guys like Bill Hunt spewing out wild rethorics .
Read 1080p's original post in this thread and tell me who is "spewing out wild rethorics (sic)"? 1080p isn't spewing, he's vomiting wild rethorics.

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Plus SD. PEOPLE. DON'T. WANT. A. GAME. CONSOLE. AS. A. PLAYER.
Apparently they do...
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Old 02-17-2008, 12:44 PM
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Sadly, I think this may happen... I don't see SD going away within the next decade at all... If they continue forking out 10 years old HD masters on Blu, it won't change anything, and with crazed guys like Bill Hunt spewing out wild rethorics (like that all Universal/Paramount HD masters needs to be redone because they are not up to Blu standarts, while shitty stuff like the Die Hard trilogy set with 7 years old masters is issued without anyone raising an eyebrow), they won't get the SD fans which are much more widespread, and more ferocious than the HD redboys ever were to join the blu ranks.

Plus SD. PEOPLE. DON'T. WANT. A. GAME. CONSOLE. AS. A. PLAYER.
oh really?

i'm glad you sir are the voice of the general public...

good to know

people dont a want a machine that plays both games and movies?

weird

cuz there is a large chunk of the 120 million people that ps2s that would say other wise... my first dvd player like many others...a ps2..

and i'm a gamer at heart, blu ray was an added bonus of getting a ps3 for me, the only thought when i purchased my ps3 last year was for games, then i was like oh man i can play blu ray movies , and then it started.

weird just like the ps2..

notice a trend? the only difference is sony didn't create the dvd
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Old 02-17-2008, 12:46 PM
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In a way yes the end of US content will come faster than it did for Betamax.

Combo players soften the blow exponentially though. With players that play both discs, for many people the "demise" of HD-DVD is a non-issue.
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Sadly, I think this may happen... I don't see SD going away within the next decade at all... If they continue forking out 10 years old HD masters on Blu, it won't change anything, and with crazed guys like Bill Hunt spewing out wild rethorics (like that all Universal/Paramount HD masters needs to be redone because they are not up to Blu standarts, while shitty stuff like the Die Hard trilogy set with 7 years old masters is issued without anyone raising an eyebrow), they won't get the SD fans which are much more widespread, and more ferocious than the HD redboys ever were to join the blu ranks.

Plus SD. PEOPLE. DON'T. WANT. A. GAME. CONSOLE. AS. A. PLAYER.
Never underestimate the "keeping up with the Jones" syndrome. Every single person that has been to my house (that has an HDTV) has purchased a Blu-ray player. Those people have friends, and so on. My sister finally purchased an HDTV and will be buying into Blu-ray once she gets her tax refund.... even if people say that SD is good enough, if their guests don't think so, they will buy into it. (My brother-in-law and sister are somewhat cheap, too - but he's pretty competitive.) No one wants to appear inferior.

With the term "High Def Snob" becoming more and more commonplace, Blu-ray will flourish.

And as far as the "game console" thing? It does WAY more than just play games. The ability to stream music collections wirelessly from the PC and surf the internet from the couch has sold more "non gamers" than you think.
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And take the PS3 away what do we get?
Whatever makes you feel better, now go play some games.
We will get the viable nextgen format, Blu-ray. Standalone Blu-ray players outsold HD DVD players in Dec before Warner defected. BR movie also outsold HD DVD movies consistently. The consumers have voted, it's just that some HD DVD fans refused to believe their votes could not overcome the dominant BR preference.

For what it's worth, PS3 is here to stay and will ensure Blu-ray beyond a niche. Something that HD DVD could not do, due to a critical lack of content and, if you believe in some HD DVD supporters, offer little difference in value compared to DVD. HD DVD's low price amounts to _zero_ advantage against DVD. It could not even overcome its rival, Blu-ray with a 2-to-1 price advantage.

Retailers and studios chose Blu-ray for a good cause. The consumers have made their choice and they need to end this war quickly, in case more people bought into the wrong format.

I hope you find peace within yourself in the distant future.

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....It is entirely possible, if not likely, that HD-DVD will continue on as a format used in the PC industry in at least some capacity.
I highly doubt that. Look at Zip drive, the Flash USB drive pretty put that out of business.
In PC world capacity is KING. Why do you think Hard drive is just keep getting bigger and bigger. HD-DVD was a consumer friendly no doubt about that. Region free, Cheap prices but there's just no more room to grow.

Toshiba can beat Sony by coming out with the Best Bluray player. Hey, If you can't beat them, join them.
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Sadly, I think this may happen... I don't see SD going away within the next decade at all... If they continue forking out 10 years old HD masters on Blu, it won't change anything, and with crazed guys like Bill Hunt spewing out wild rethorics (like that all Universal/Paramount HD masters needs to be redone because they are not up to Blu standarts, while shitty stuff like the Die Hard trilogy set with 7 years old masters is issued without anyone raising an eyebrow), they won't get the SD fans which are much more widespread, and more ferocious than the HD redboys ever were to join the blu ranks.

Plus SD. PEOPLE. DON'T. WANT. A. GAME. CONSOLE. AS. A. PLAYER.
You should say "YOU" don't want a game console as a player. Because apparently, a lot of people do. Just ask Warner and all the other stuidos and retailers that have gone Blu-Ray exclusive. They seem to mention that the PS3 did play a factor in their decisions.

So, maybe you and some other home theater purists who don't want a game console cluttering their pristine HT rack in their living rooms may not want a console, the market doesn't seem to think the same way.
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what is this guy talking about, i still watch everything on betamax
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You should say "YOU" don't want a game console as a player. Because apparently, a lot of people do. Just ask Warner and all the other stuidos and retailers that have gone Blu-Ray exclusive. They seem to mention that the PS3 did play a factor in their decisions.

So, maybe you and some other home theater purists who don't want a game console cluttering their pristine HT rack in their living rooms may not want a console, the market doesn't seem to think the same way.
I just replaced my standalone player with PS3 and functionality is like night and day. Disc load much faster and picture quality is exactly the same and I'm not even into gaming.
PS3 is the way to go for now until final spec is released.
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Old 02-17-2008, 03:05 PM
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I used the word cheated because when you hear "the customer choose's bd" it's a lie!!
Sony didn't have the balls to let the consumer choice, if they did want to play it that way, then they should have been neutral.
If they were then all the studios would have been, so then we could have called this a war like VHS Vs Beta and then the consumer would have choosen.
Sony was scared of HD DVD, hance they cheated.
Do you understand?
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