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Old 09-25-2011, 04:49 AM
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In the last few months Verizon FIOS has made many improvements to its 100% fiber optic network. The fiber runs all the way from the central office to the network interface box on the side of one’s house or townhome.

Speaking to Verizon recently, they told me that their nationwide network is only at around 20% bandwidth capacity. That means they are not even using around 80% of the bandwidth that the fiber optic network offers. In the future Verizon will be offering several hundreds of HD channels and perhaps several years from now thousands of HD channels since they have more bandwidth than Comcast, Direct TV, and Dish Network combined. Verizon’s video on demand network already carries several thousands of movies to choose from with many in HD.

Verizon is now offering a 150Mbps download package and a 35Mbps upload Internet package with a 1Gbps (1,000Mbps) home networking router. One can use their own 1Gbps router with a special configuration. The 150Mbps download package costs around $190 per month which is a good price for that much speed. Over time speeds will increase and packages will get cheaper.

When 150Mbps download packages become cheaper it would be possible for studios to start offering 50GB Blu-ray disc images for download to a 3TB hard drive. 3TB hard drives are running around $225 now. If the movie studios and content providers would start selling Blu-ray images as a download feature for a $5.99 rental price and a purchase price of $19.99 then that would be an awesome feature. A minimum of 60 Blu-ray movies would fit on one 3TB hard drive and all the studios would need to do is encrypt the movie file when it is downloaded with AES 256 bit encryption. Only time will tell if Blu-ray images one day will be able to be purchased as a download option. Personally I would be interested in renting downloaded Blu-ray images since the quality would be the same as an optical disc. But as a movie collector I still want to own the physical optical discs. Many streaming services offer lower bit rate HD quality and sometimes low bit rate 1080P movies for purchase for $19.99 to $24.99+, and those movies are kept at the streaming providers servers. Over a several year period one could purchase over a 100 movies from the streaming provider and if that streaming provider goes out of business one just lost their entire movie collection. So being able to own your own physical media will always be important as long as the movie studios continue to support modern and future optical formats.

Verizon in the last few months also started offering new Cisco HD DVR boxes with a built in 500GB hard drive and an external E-SATA jack to plug in an external hard drive. This allows for several hundred hours of HD recording time when an external hard drive is connected. The internal and external hard drive contains encryption to prevent TV programs from being copied to another hard drive. Consumers can also have a Cisco HD DVR connected to every HDTV or SDTV in their house or townhome. Each HD DVR is networked to each other and can playback programs from any HD DVR from any room in the house.

The new Verizon Cisco HD DVR boxes support both MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 channels. Also the new Cisco boxes support 1080P at both 24fps and 30fps. The Blu-ray format is limited to 24fps for 1080P. In the future possible in 2-3 years Verizon most likely will start offering channels in MPEG-4 quality and some new 1080p/24 video on demand channels in true 1080p/24 quality. All the existing Verizon MPEG-2 channels are bit for bit the same as the original MPEG-2 master broadcast source. Verizon in the future most likely will be taking the original MPEG-4 master broadcast source and sending it to the Cisco boxes at the exact same original MPEG-4 bit rate offered from the program provider. Currently since most the Verizon network is still using MPEG-2 Motorola boxes they are converting MPEG-4 satellite source material to MPEG-2 at a high bit rate. Maybe in 2-3+ years the new Cisco boxes might become a requirement in order to receive all the HD and SD channels.

Verizon also offers onscreen Caller ID for their cable boxes and any computer hooked up. It includes complete call history of both incoming and outgoing calls with a call blocking number feature. Plus packages with call forwarding are a nice feature.

In closing Blu-ray offers the best picture and sound quality compared to any cable or satellite TV provider. Verizon is the best in terms of picture and sound quality compared to any other cable or satellite TV provider.

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Old 09-26-2011, 03:30 PM
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I just got FiOS installed a few weeks ago and am pretty happy with it. Much better than Comcast any day of the week. I am still waiting on the new 1.9 software for my boxes though.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:32 PM
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Important information on Verizon HD DVR and HD set top boxes

At the beginning of this thread I was talking about the new Cisco boxes supporting MPEG-4 and 1080P at 24fps and 30fps. Most of the Verizon nationwide network uses Motorola boxes. If you live in an area that uses Motorola boxes than you cannot use a Cisco box on a Motorola network according to a Verizon technician I was speaking with. Cisco boxes only work on Cisco networks and Motorola boxes only work on Motorola networks.

Each HD DVR box on the Verizon home network can communicate with each other for recording and playing back of TV programs as long as they are the same brand of box (model numbers can be different but brand needs to be the same for networking HD DVR’S together). All old and new Verizon HD DVR boxes currently only offer 2 tuners per box. A 4 tuner HD DVR would be ideal but Cisco and Motorola do not make 4 tuner HD DVR boxes yet like TIVO and other third party consumer HD DVR boxes offer.

The Motorola 7000 series boxes also support future MPEG-4 channels like the Cisco boxes. The new Motorola 7232-P2 HD DVR box and the Motorola 7100-P2 HD set top box will also support future 1080P channels at 24fps and 30fps with a firmware update. The old discontinued Motorola 6000 series boxes only supports MPEG-2 and resolutions up to 1080i. So in 2-3+ years or so there will most likely be some new channels offered by Verizon that require subscribers to use a minimum of a Motorola 7232-P2 HD DVR or Motorola 7100-P2 HD set top box.

The old Motorola 6416 and Motorola 7216 HD DVR’s only allowed 20 hours of HD recording time with its built in hard drive (plus no external hard drive option). The new Motorola 7232-P2 has a 500GB internal hard drive with an E-SATA jack that supports up to 2TB size hard drives.

So the best Motorola box to currently have for HD DVR recording is the Motorola 7232-P2.

The following is information on a 2TB hard drive configuration that has been tested to work fine with the E-SATA jack on the Motorola 7232-P2 HD DVR boxes

I used a $155.95 7,200 RPM Seagate ST320000641AS 2TB hard drive inside a $37.96 Thermaltake ST0021U hard drive enclosure to make an external 2TB storage drive for one of my family members that are using the Motorola 7232-P2 boxes. This top of the line 2TB hard drive with enclosure costs around $207.30 after shipping (Since there is a hard drive shortage going on right now it might cost $300+ instead of around $200 when I bought it.).

To get the hard drive to work correctly you do not format the hard drive, you just insert the unformatted hard drive into the E-SATA jack on the Motorola set top box. Then the Motorola box will place an encryption key on the hard drive so that only that Motorola box can retrieve TV programs from the hard drive. Motorola has an encryption system that is installed on all external hard drives that prevents the hard drive from being read by any device except a Motorola set top box (Also the hard drive is serialized for that Motorola box and if moved to another Motorola 7232-P2 HD DVR the hard drive will not be able to read the recorded TV programs. The only option is to erase the hard drive and have the other box in the house install a new encryption key.)

All the 7000 series boxes from Motorola will not allow recording from the IEEE-1394 Firewire

The advantage of the old Motorola 6000 series HD DVR’s and HD set top boxes is that they have two IEEE-1394 interfaces that allowed consumers to connect up to 2 D-VHS machines at the same time, (or possible a future standalone Blu-ray recorder) to make a perfect bit for bit recording of a HD or SD cable TV program onto a blank D-VHS tape. Many program providers and cable providers mark channels and programs as “copy always” including premium HD channels like HBO. As long as the live TV program 5C copy protection system is marked as “copy always” or “copy once” one could make up to two perfect digital copies of the same cable TV program onto two separate D-VHS machines over the two IEEE-1394 connections on the Motorola 6000 series HD boxes. Copying programs already recorded on the HD DVR hard drive was also possible as long as the program is marked as “copy always”.

The Motorola 7000 series HD DVR boxes and HD set top boxes changed the way the IEEE-1394 interface worked: On the 7000 series boxes there is only one IEEE-1394 interface compared to two IEEE-1394 interfaces on the 6000 series boxes. With the 7000 series boxes the IEEE-1394 interface can only be used to view TV programs and not to record them. Even if one tries to record the local ABC news in HD or SD onto a D-VHS tape or other device connected to the IEEE-1394 interface the recording will be distorted with video and audio digital artifacts every few seconds. Motorola on the 7000 series designed the IEEE-1394 interface to insert some type of digital copy protection scheme to prevent consumers from doing any type of usable recording from the IEEE-1394 interface. To make a long story short for those consumers that own a D-VHS or plan on purchasing a future standalone Blu-ray recorder , then only the old 6000 series boxes will allow one to record cable channels over the IEEE-1394 interface. The 6000 series boxes are no longer made and they are limited to MPEG-2 and up to 1080i channels. When Verizon starts offering new MPEG-4 channels than consumers will need to upgrade to the 7000 series boxes that do not offer any IEEE-1394 recording to external devices. Plus new boxes like the Motorola 7232-P2 HD DVR and Motorola 7100-P2 HD set top box are ideal for 1080P at 24fps and 30fps when Verizon starts offering 1080P channels and 1080P programming. Gone are the days when one was allowed to make a perfect bit by bit recording from a local HD or SD cable channel onto a D-VHS tape or other long term storage device. Hard drives are good for temporary storage and when the hard drive encrypts the local news or other program from even NBC, ABC, or CBS one cannot even make a backup copy to an external hard drive. There are some TV programs and game shows that will never be released on DVD or Blu-ray and unless things change in the future consumers will not be able to make a digital copy of the recording for long term storage. This is not just a Verizon issue, Direct TV, Dish Network, and other cable providers encrypt the internal and external hard drive so that the recordings cannot be backed up since the program providers demand the hard drives be encrypted. Sure one could purchase several external 2TB hard drives and record as much programs as they want by swapping out hard drives, but as soon as that hard drive crashes in 5 years or so all the programs are lost since one is not allowed to make a backup copy. Also if one cancels their cable TV service or satellite service they no longer have the ability to play back the programs on the encrypted 2TB hard drives. I realize the program providers own the content but for something’s that are never going to be released on DVD or Blu-ray it would be nice to be able to make a Blu-ray copy of a TV game show, talent show, etc.

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Old 12-31-2011, 12:20 AM
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I forgot to mention that the Motorola 7232-P2 HD DVR and the Motorola 7100 HD boxes can handle up to 7.1 Dolby digital surround sound when and if program providers decide to start broadcasting in 7.1. Blu-ray discs with lossless audio tracks like 7.1 PCM, 7.1 DTS-HD master audio, and 7.1 Dolby TrueHD is still the best way to listen to movies.
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