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Old 04-18-2007, 07:32 PM
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Is the 12 Monkeys HD-DVD supposed to start off both letterboxed and pillarboxed? It was like that for about 5 minutes, then suddenly switched to just a very thin letterbox. Is this the way the movie was intended to be?
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Im actually not sure but i know what your talking about. I have the movie and when i started watching is it was showing it in a box and then it switched to normal widescreen.....maybe thats just how its supposed to start but not really sure....
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I believe that is the way the movie started out normally....
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I noticed the framing at the start as well. I was going to dig out my old Laserdisc and check if it was the same

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That is how the movie was intended to be shown.
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Old 04-19-2007, 05:25 PM
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Is the 12 Monkeys HD-DVD supposed to start off both letterboxed and pillarboxed? It was like that for about 5 minutes, then suddenly switched to just a very thin letterbox. Is this the way the movie was intended to be?
It's called window-boxed, and they use this feature mainly in titlesequence to make sure that tv-sets, that cut of some of the information all at the edge of the picture still gets all the titles on the screen... simple as that
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It's called window-boxed, and they use this feature mainly in titlesequence to make sure that tv-sets, that cut of some of the information all at the edge of the picture still gets all the titles on the screen... simple as that
Oh, ok, I'd never seen that before this movie. I've seen movies where the aspect ratio is different for small segments, but the transitions between the two happen when the scene drastically changes, or something dramatic happens. In 12 Monkeys, one minute it's window-boxed, then the camera changes slightly (nothing important happening in the scene, just more of what it's been like for the last 2 minutes) and suddenly it's in normal 16:9.

But thanks for clearing that up.
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The last shot before the windowing dissappears is the end of the opening titles (Directed by Terry Gilliam). I did check out the 10 year old signature laserdisc and that doesn't do it. My friend has the DVD and I'll look at that more out of a matter of interest.

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Okay, I just checked it out. On a widescreen set the beginning is slightly pillarboxed (windowboxed on standard sets). At 8:09 it goes to the full 1.85:1 OAR. The disc is fine. I also do not remember my old laserdisc doing this. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
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Okay, I just checked it out. On a widescreen set the beginning is slightly pillarboxed (windowboxed on standard sets). At 8:09 it goes to the full 1.85:1 OAR. The disc is fine. I also do not remember my old laserdisc doing this. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
I just checked '12 Monkeys' myself on my projector, HD-16:9 projector that is, and until the titles are done, I get a Windowboxed picture, so I have to say, that your tv-set is one of these sets, that dosn't show the whole picture. Also to fit the screen most 1.85:1 movies are released in 1.78:1, but '12 Monkeys' actually is in 1.85:1 all the way through and therefore I have a black bar at the bottom and the top of the image. If you don't have these bars, it clearly indicates that your set dosn't alove you to see the whole image.
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