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Old 01-18-2008, 12:50 AM
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We now have over a million dedicated or standalone players in the United States. Our attach rates are good if not better than the Blu-Ray camps. All of the HD-DVD players are of final specs and are affordable to everyone. The combo disc while not liked by some here, is a blessing to most who do not want to pay for both a DVD and HD-DVD. The HD-DVD players also make great upconverting players, not to mention of course we still have the support of the Porn Industry and smaller independent studios worldwide making importing a blessing. We still have the exclusive support of Universal Picture, and Paramount Picture. Essentially this war is too early to decide a winner so ill make these points that I just stated and will add a bit more.

1. More standalone/dedicated players out in homes.
2. Porn industry still backs HD-DVD.
3. Most independent studios still back HD-DVD.
4. No major retailer has dropped support since Warner.
5. We still have BBC (Planet Earth)
6. Still have Paramount, Dreamworks, and Universal.
7. Steped up marketing by Toshiba.
8. Toshiba's HD-DVD laptops hold 80% of the laptop market.
9. Region free.

Things in my opinion that need to be done to help HD-DVD:

1. Microsoft lowers the price of the Xbox add-on to $49.99.
2. Toshiba makes it clear to consumers that you can not only upconvert but import titles as well because HD-DVD is region free.
3. Paramount, Universal, and Dreamworks need to start cranking up their catalogue titles.
4. Toshiba should come out with their fourth gen players with super-upconversion.

Things that could go wrong and kill HD-DVD:
1. Another defection from our last major studio.
2. Toshiba giving up.

Ultimately, I think 2008 will be a make or break situation for HD-DVD. If HD-DVD can survive 2008 and reach the 2 million standalone mark, then it is here to stay. I could understand if most would disagree, but I ALWAYS root for the underdog! Opinions welcomed.
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Old 01-18-2008, 01:21 AM
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Ultimately, I think 2008 will be a make or break situation for HD-DVD. If HD-DVD can survive 2008 and reach the 2 million standalone mark, then it is here to stay. I could understand if most would disagree, but I ALWAYS root for the underdog! Opinions welcomed.
I also feel dual format players are on the verge of approaching price competitiveness with HD DVD. Once those become more mainstream, I see no reason why HD DVD would ever disappear.

On a related note, I went to my local Fry's and their two primary displays had an A20 (still at $399 - but apparently they have already received a batch of A3s at $149) and the Blu-ray player was the new LG Super-blu dual format player!
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Old 01-18-2008, 01:39 AM
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Another thing that would help is a lower price for the movies. I'm not saying like $15.00 for each movie. Just have the price lower then $30.00.


The only thing that is stopping me from buying just released HD DVDs is the High Prices up here in Canada. Zodiac is selling for $34.99-$37.99 up here while the U.S. still pays $26.99-$27.99 and our dollars are about the same. Yet some new blu-rays are sellling for $25.00. I'd order from the U.S. but I'm afraid I'd get slapped with some type of import tax or something.

I wish the retaillers up here would get there $h!t together.
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Toshiba needs to buy Lionsgate and make them HD DVD
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Toshiba needs to buy Lionsgate and make them HD DVD
Yeah! How much does Liongate cost? I think they are the most exciting Blu-Ray studio so far, if you don't count Warner. Would love to have 'em on the HD DVD-side + seeing Weinstein making HD DVDs again!
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Old 01-18-2008, 02:29 AM
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1. More standalone/dedicated players out in homes.
2. Porn industry still backs HD-DVD.
3. Most independent studios still back HD-DVD.
4. No major retailer has dropped support since Warner.
5. We still have BBC (Planet Earth)
6. Still have Paramount, Dreamworks, and Universal.
7. Steped up marketing by Toshiba.
8. Toshiba's HD-DVD laptops hold 80% of the laptop market.
9. Region free.

Things in my opinion that need to be done to help HD-DVD:

1. Microsoft lowers the price of the Xbox add-on to $49.99.
2. Toshiba makes it clear to consumers that you can not only upconvert but import titles as well because HD-DVD is region free.
3. Paramount, Universal, and Dreamworks need to start cranking up their catalogue titles.
4. Toshiba should come out with their fourth gen players with super-upconversion.
Let me preface my post with the fact that I am purple.
1. Meaningless statistic.
2. Not true, porn is supported on both formats, but are an extremely small market in the HD world. Web based is 100,000 times as popular.
3. Independent = lower budget and primarily release on SD
4. true
5. BBC is purple too.
6. true
7. true, but not sure how effective it is.
8. 80% of the next gen optical market (not sure how valuable that is, but better than 20% I guess)
9. The problem with this statement is that HD is region free FOR NOW. It is a simple fix if and when HD would be a long term option in the market. If Toshiba advertised they were region free and then changed, they would be sued like crazy, and would be finished as a company. It may never be a region coded system, but it could and that is always in the mix when discussing formats.

1. good strategy, but you need titles to drive sales moreso than price
2. upconvert is as foreign of a term to mainstream america as HD/BD
3. AMEN!!!
4. Not a good idea. Continuing to make new models does not help, it simply adds confusion to the mix. Get everyone into a HD box with an HDTV and HD cabling and they will be better off.

The longer HD is in the market, the better off I am (lower priced discs) but the worse off both camps and the average consumer is. Getting a new disc player is a big deal to many, and choosing or needing two is fools talk to many people. Toshiba now needs to be content trailing, but driving disc production from catalogue titles that will sell. Quality discs outsell poor discs, and if a string of HD exclusives come out, then you will have no choice but to have an HD player.
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Old 01-18-2008, 02:33 AM
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Let me preface my post with the fact that I am purple.
1. Meaningless statistic.
2. Not true, porn is supported on both formats, but are an extremely small market in the HD world. Web based is 100,000 times as popular.
3. Independent = lower budget and primarily release on SD
4. true
5. BBC is purple too.
6. true
7. true, but not sure how effective it is.
8. 80% of the next gen optical market (not sure how valuable that is, but better than 20% I guess)
9. The problem with this statement is that HD is region free FOR NOW. It is a simple fix if and when HD would be a long term option in the market. If Toshiba advertised they were region free and then changed, they would be sued like crazy, and would be finished as a company. It may never be a region coded system, but it could and that is always in the mix when discussing formats.
1. good strategy, but you need titles to drive sales moreso than price
2. upconvert is as foreign of a term to mainstream america as HD/BD
3. AMEN!!!
4. Not a good idea. Continuing to make new models does not help, it simply adds confusion to the mix. Get everyone into a HD box with an HDTV and HD cabling and they will be better off.

The longer HD is in the market, the better off I am (lower priced discs) but the worse off both camps and the average consumer is. Getting a new disc player is a big deal to many, and choosing or needing two is fools talk to many people. Toshiba now needs to be content trailing, but driving disc production from catalogue titles that will sell. Quality discs outsell poor discs, and if a string of HD exclusives come out, then you will have no choice but to have an HD player.
Come on.

It's 2 years now since HD-DVD is on the market. Do you really think they would drop the region-freeness after such a long time?
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