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Very interesting review in the March issue of Widescreen Review on the A35. Apparently this is the only machine (and I would assume the A30) that does TRUE 1080/24p output right off the disc. The XA2 and Onkyo 805 have to do a interlaced to progressive step due to the Reon. The article gives 2 examples from movies where you can clearly see the advantage the A35 has over the XA2/805 at 1080/24. Kind of a bummer as I always thought my XA2 was doing true 1080/24p but apparently not....

So for pure 1080/24p HD-DVD performance, the A35 (and I would think A30) is in a class of its own.
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Very interesting review in the March issue of Widescreen Review on the A35. Apparently this is the only machine (and I would assume the A30) that does TRUE 1080/24p output right off the disc. The XA2 and Onkyo 805 have to do a interlaced to progressive step due to the Reon. The article gives 2 examples from movies where you can clearly see the advantage the A35 has over the XA2/805 at 1080/24. Kind of a bummer as I always thought my XA2 was doing true 1080/24p but apparently not....

So for pure 1080/24p HD-DVD performance, the A35 (and I would think A30) is in a class of its own.
So that would mean the A30 A35 are potentially better HD DVD players but the AX2 is a better upconverter.

Interesting.
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So that would mean the A30 A35 are potentially better HD DVD players but the AX2 is a better upconverter.

Interesting.
Exactly. If the best possible HD-DVD 1080/24p performance is your goal, the A35 is the machine to get.
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Very interesting review in the March issue of Widescreen Review on the A35. Apparently this is the only machine (and I would assume the A30) that does TRUE 1080/24p output right off the disc. The XA2 and Onkyo 805 have to do a interlaced to progressive step due to the Reon. The article gives 2 examples from movies where you can clearly see the advantage the A35 has over the XA2/805 at 1080/24. Kind of a bummer as I always thought my XA2 was doing true 1080/24p but apparently not....
What were the examples?

Setting the XA2 for 1080p24 is the only way to fix the Vatican staircase scene in Mission Impossible III (the shot is very shimmery at either 1080i or 1080p60), which suggest to me that 1080p24 is a raw output bypassing the Reon chip.
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What were the examples?

Setting the XA2 for 1080p24 is the only way to fix the Vatican staircase scene in Mission Impossible III (the shot is very shimmery at either 1080i or 1080p60), which suggest to me that 1080p24 is a raw output bypassing the Reon chip.
When I had my A1 I had the Vatican staircase issue...with my XA2 set to 720p...completely gone. The "moving" wall prior to this scene also got fixed when I went from an A1 to XA2. The problem is still there though when I set my XA2 to 1080i.
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The A20/XA2/A30/A35 in addition to the Onkyo and Integra players read and display 1080p/24 right off the disc. This was confirmed last year by Robert from Value Electronics on one of the many threads at AVS.

1080p60 is where things get interesting. Only the XA2, Onkyo and Integra do that properly.
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The A20/XA2/A30/A35 in addition to the Onkyo and Integra players read and display 1080p/24 right off the disc. This was confirmed last year by Robert from Value Electronics on one of the many threads at AVS.

1080p60 is where things get interesting. Only the XA2, Onkyo and Integra do that properly.

I know Robert said this, and I am sure that is what he was told, but we now have conflicting info from the A35 review in WSR this month. Joerod over on AVSforum who owns the XA2, Onkyo 805, and A35 claims the A35 has a clear advantage at 1080/24p over the XA2 and 805 from his A/B comparisons. Transformers looked slightly sharper and more fluid to my eyes on my A35 compared to my XA2 as well when I owned the A35.

I have another A35 coming tom and look forward to doing some A/B comparisons between it and my XA2.
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What were the examples?

Setting the XA2 for 1080p24 is the only way to fix the Vatican staircase scene in Mission Impossible III (the shot is very shimmery at either 1080i or 1080p60), which suggest to me that 1080p24 is a raw output bypassing the Reon chip.
They used this exact scene from MI III and a scene from chapter 10 of inside man. According to the article, the A35 was noticably better than the XA2 with both these scenes at 1080/24p because it does true 1080/24p while the XA2 goes through an intermediate interlaced step.

I am looking forward to doing some more A/B when my A35 comes tom with my XA2 as I only did one comparison when I had the A35 with Transformers which did look slightly sharper and more fluid on the A35 from what I can remember. Look forward to either confirming or denying these impressions.

Check out the March issue of WSR as it is a good overall review of the A35 as well explaining all the positives and negatives of the unit with the biggest positive being it is the best player for HD-DVD at 1080/24p on the market.

Another thing that leads me to believe the XA2 does not do true 24p is the whole issue with FW 2.5 when 1080/24p was introduced, but was introduced at the incorrect EXACT 24hz instead of the correct 23.976. If the XA2 were truly just pulling the 24p straight off the disc and out the HDMI, how could this error happen? This leads me to believe there is an additional processing step done using the Reon to the 24p output and thus not a true 24p output.

I was dissapointed to find this out as I thought my XA2 was doing true 24p all these months

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They used this exact scene from MI III and a scene from chapter 10 of inside man. According to the article, the A35 was noticably better than the XA2 with both these scenes at 1080/24p because it does true 1080/24p while the XA2 goes through an intermediate interlaced step.
I picked up the issue yesterday. The 'Inside Man' example was strictly talking about the difference between 24 fps and 60 Hz in general, not about the XA2 vs. the A35. The 'M:I-3' scene was the only case they made for the XA2 going through an unwanted 1080i step.

I disagree with their findings. That scene looks fine at 1080p24 output from the XA2 on my screen. Also, when Toshiba added 1080p24 output to the XA2, the video stutter issue on discs like 'Serenity' and 'World Trade Center' that continued to plague 1080i and 1080p60 output from the player was gone at 1080p24 (a later firmware fixed the stutter at 1080i and 1080p as well, so long as you set the deinterlacing mode to "Film", which is not required when using 1080p24). This again all suggests to me that 1080p24 is a raw output.
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I picked up the issue yesterday. The 'Inside Man' example was strictly talking about the difference between 24 fps and 60 Hz in general, not about the XA2 vs. the A35. The 'M:I-3' scene was the only case they made for the XA2 going through an unwanted 1080i step.

I disagree with their findings. That scene looks fine at 1080p24 output from the XA2 on my screen. Also, when Toshiba added 1080p24 output to the XA2, the video stutter issue on discs like 'Serenity' and 'World Trade Center' that continued to plague 1080i and 1080p60 output from the player was gone at 1080p24 (a later firmware fixed the stutter at 1080i and 1080p as well, so long as you set the deinterlacing mode to "Film", which is not required when using 1080p24). This again all suggests to me that 1080p24 is a raw output.
You are right about inside man, my mistake. I just reread the article. But the case still stands for MI III.

Considering Joerods findings on AVS, WSR report, and what I have seen from the A35, I would agree that the XA2 is doing some sort of extra step in getting to 24p and it is not a true 24p. Just got another A35 yesterday and will do some A/B at some point here with my XA2, but initial impressions are what I originaly found when I had the A35 before which is the A35 is a touch sharper and more fluid at 1080/24p on my RS1 vs the XA2. The A35 is definately getting the starting nod in my HT over the XA2 for any 1080/24p material. Any SD upconversion will most likely be played in the XA2 as I am sure it will be better for this purpose still.

The other thing that points to a fake 24p by the XA2 is the whole 2.5 FW EXACT 24hz output instead of 23.976. If this was coming straight off the disc untouched, how could this error happen?
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