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    Default Will Sony change their NEO/PS4K plans because of Scorpio?

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    Hard to say, since I don't know their exact plans for Neo to start with. The hardware we probably do know, but what was the price going to be? Launch schedule?

    If their plan was to launch it as a slim-like PS4 replacement at the same price or +$50, while knocking OG PS4 down by $50, and do all this in 2016, I see no reason for them not to do it. It'd probably sell well this holiday and further dominate Xbox One, which is kind of in a degraded state until Scorpio launches.

    Then they can leapfrog Scorpio in 2018. And so it goes.

    Sony's in a position of strength. They don't really have to do anything crazy just to react to something that's coming in 1.5 years.

    One thing does seem clear. Looks like it's going to be forever BC for both companies now, and maybe one generation of FC (e.g., PS4<->PS4.5, PS4.5<->PS5).

    So something like,

    PS5 can play PS4.5 and PS4 games.
    PS4 can play PS4.5 games.
    PS4.5 can play PS5 games.

    P.S. Anyway, I voted they'll stay the course. This does assume the course was 2016 holiday launch of Neo.
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    Nah. As long as they can get it out before Scorpio and beat them on price they'll be fine. It doesn't really matter much because this trend of release upgraded consoles will most likely continue if consumers support them. I'm willing to bet they will.
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    Who knows or cares? Fuck em all! Berserk is coming to PC. E3 was won.
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    I wish there was a "maybe" option but I'll settle for the middle choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by hdinred View Post
    Project Scorpio

    8 Cores
    6 TFlops
    "Over" 320GB/s memory bandwidth
    4K/VR Gaming
    BC and forward compatible
    2017

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WnLvk3wIIk

    PS4K / NEO

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    GPU - Improved AMD GCN, 36 CUs at 911 MHz
    8 GB GDDR5, 218 GB/s

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/...specs-revealed
    Uhh probably. Leaked specs change all the time. I always suspected that Sony made the Neo just to counter the Xbox's plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonunpackmule View Post
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    Depends on when the Neo is targeting release. If it's this year...nope, not much they can do at this point.
    If it's next fall, they have some room to upgrade things but probably not a whole lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weasl View Post
    Uhh probably. Leaked specs change all the time. I always suspected that Sony made the Neo just to counter the Xbox's plans.
    The follow-up rumors to PS4K/NEO were that it was directly based on the RX480 (lower clock speeds though) and that dev kits were already out. Anything other than tinkering with the clock speeds is probably a big change at this point, but I'm just speculating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hdinred View Post
    The follow-up rumors to PS4K/NEO were that it was directly based on the RX480 (lower clock speeds though) and that dev kits were already out. Anything other than tinkering with the clock speeds is probably a big change at this point, but I'm just speculating.
    You are, shit changes all damn time in the game industry. If it's not out or announced it's subject to change. It's one thing to go backwards, but giving developers more power tends to not be something they complain about.. More since they're probably already pushing the console beyond what it can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weasl View Post
    You are, shit changes all damn time in the game industry. If it's not out or announced it's subject to change. It's one thing to go backwards, but giving developers more power tends to not be something they complain about.. More since they're probably already pushing the console beyond what it can do.
    I'd imagine changing hardware specs after you've already chosen a configuration and sent out dev kits is pretty rare, but not impossible. The clock speeds that leaked aren't some random numbers either, they likely arrived at those numbers after extensive testing for performance balance and yields.
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    The question boils down to this: is 4K really worth it? And the answer to that is pretty straightforward - it definitely is. The detail increase is profound in its own right and moves into a different level entirely with HDR engaged. Link

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    Quote Originally Posted by hdinred View Post
    Project Scorpio

    8 Cores
    6 TFlops
    "Over" 320GB/s memory bandwidth
    4K/VR Gaming
    BC and forward compatible
    2017

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WnLvk3wIIk

    PS4K / NEO

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    GPU - Improved AMD GCN, 36 CUs at 911 MHz
    8 GB GDDR5, 218 GB/s

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/...specs-revealed
    They are definitely changing them, the weird non-unveiling unveiling with House talking about it without having anything to show said all that had to be said.
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    Interesting Scorpio/NEO thoughts from Digital Foundry:

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    Where does this leave PlayStation 4K Neo?

    It's a remarkable turnabout. A good portion of PlayStation 4's success has been down to its spec advantage over Xbox One, combined with a focus on the hardcore player. Sony's technological advantage will be gone with the next wave of hardware - we already know that it cannot support true 4K resolution on cutting-edge games, because we've seen the internal documents that outline Sony's upscaling strategies for 4K display support (more on that soon). It's also unfeasible for Sony to produce a radically revised Neo - the silicon has been designed, developer kits have gone out. Matching Scorpio would require scrapping Neo's existing processor completely.

    Just about the only option available to Sony is the route Microsoft chose for Xbox One in the face of PS4's higher specification - overclocking the processor. It could inch the Neo a little closer to the target Scorpio spec, but hitting 6TF there is off the table: Sony would need a 40 CU Polaris 10 clocked at 1.2GHz to hit the same level. And that wouldn't address the 100GB/s bandwidth deficit or the 4GB memory gap we suspect will separate Neo and Scorpio.

    But there is an elephant in the room here: price. Microsoft's brief to AMD in producing this behemoth of a semi-custom design looks pretty obvious - to create the most powerful console possible. The GPU is more powerful and it's going to be larger, which means it's going to be more expensive to produce. Meanwhile, assuming we're right about the 4GB of additional memory, that's not going to be cheap either - when we attended AMD's Munich launch event for Fury X and the Radeon 300 series, we were told that adding an additional 4GB of GDDR5 to the R9 390/390X cost around them around $30 per unit. In short, we would not be surprised to see Scorpio cost significantly more than Neo - maybe even $100 more.

    But there's certainly going to be pressure on Sony here - particularly as its next console is targeted at the hardcore player, who wants the very best. If Neo launches this year, it'll have a healthy headstart over Scorpio. However, if we're looking at a March 2017 launch, many may consider until Scorpio appears - especially as the new hardware stands to deliver a tangibly more impressive technological upgrade over the established PlayStation 4.
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    The question boils down to this: is 4K really worth it? And the answer to that is pretty straightforward - it definitely is. The detail increase is profound in its own right and moves into a different level entirely with HDR engaged. Link

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    i'm very curious on what neo/scorpion will be priced at.
    is the market ready to mass adopt a $599 console, it certainly wasn't many years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michealo View Post
    i'm very curious on what neo/scorpion will be priced at.
    is the market ready to mass adopt a $599 console, it certainly wasn't many years ago.
    It's not ready to adopt a main unit at that price, but a "premium" unit? Maybe.
    I think they are really pulling a page from Apple and going with the whole, well, we have 2-3 models and you can go low range, mid, or high but they all run the same software and OS.
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