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Old 03-30-2011, 08:55 PM
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A highly placed development source has confirmed to Digital Foundry that the new disc format being beta tested in a new dashboard upgrade adds 1GB to the storage of Xbox 360 game discs.

The maximum space allocated to game data on the current disc format is just 6.8GB out of a maximum of 7.95GB on a standard dual layer DVD, with over 1GB dedicated to a DVD-Video partition that also contained anti-piracy security sectors. Astonishingly, this meant that the last generation PlayStation 2 had a higher level of raw storage available to games developers than the newer Xbox 360. It seems that this video partition has either been drastically reduced or omitted completely in the new format Microsoft is looking to roll-out.

Beta testers of the new dashboard get a free copy of Halo: Reach once they are accepted into the new preview programme. We can assume that this isn't just a generous gift on Microsoft's part - more likely it is a disc pressed using the new format, and Microsoft is looking for data on performance on as many different systems as it can. There is no one standard Xbox 360 DVD drive: the platform holder has used drives from Samsung, Hitachi, Benq and Liteon across the console's five year history.

Halo: Reach occupied 6.6GB of space on the old format disc. Either padding or additional content will have been added to this new edition, or it may well simply be the case that the data is allocated into certain physical areas of the disc the video partition would have previously occupied.

It would make sense that the video partition would have been pressed into the inner-most area of the disc - the part that would be the slowest to read in data. So while developers will be able to make the most of the raw storage potential of the dual layer disc, they may well have to factor in slower read speeds in the freed-up space.

Regardless, a 14-15 per cent boost in the space available to Xbox 360 developers is a very welcome advance, and some might argue it is somewhat overdue bearing in mind that the security scheme currently in place has proven to be inadequate for several years now. Tossing away the current system may also give Microsoft the opportunity to deploy a brand new anti-piracy strategy bearing in mind that its latest AP 2.5 system was defeated within a couple of weeks.

Xbox 360 DVD firmware hacker "Commodore4eva" adding weight to the story by suggesting that the latest developer XDK confirms the changes:

"MS will introduce XBG3 - this will add more AP checks, CVI (content integerity) checks, increase the disc size and adds a new layer for protection issues - all in the 20500 sdk! bring it on," he posted on IRC.

This could very well be good for everybody.
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:07 PM
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Already being discussed in the GR. Not sure I see the smackdown. 1 GB of additional storage may be helpful, but its not a game-changer when the competition has 25-50 GB at their disposal. As far as the anti-piracy stuff is concerned, its about damn time.
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Awesome..So does this mean the 360 now has more storage space than the PS2, or is it still less than the Ps2? Can't tell by the article.
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:30 PM
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Awesome..So does this mean the 360 now has more storage space than the PS2, or is it still less than the Ps2? Can't tell by the article.
Nice try, you could probably count on one hand the amount of PS2 games that used DL DVD. The only one I know of was GoW2. Everything else was on single-layer DVD's, 4.7 GB or less. DL DVD was fine for when the 360 was launched in 2005. HD DVD and Blu-ray hadn't even been released, yet.

This is only becoming an issue because MS wants to extend the life of the 360 beyond the normal 5 year pattern for consoles. They have had to get creative with things like optional installs and now this. The occasional multi-disc game also isn't nearly as big of a deal as the SDF Zealots so desperately want to believe.

EDIT: BTW, the PS3's disc storage advantage is seriously tarnished due to all the mandatory installs which are annoying as hell.
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Awesome..So does this mean the 360 now has more storage space than the PS2, or is it still less than the Ps2? Can't tell by the article.
Bah, PS2 doesn't matter. Here's some amazing info though, the Nintendo DS (you know, the most popular system of ALL TIME!) has a capacity of around 512 MB, and the 360 has, what... 6.9 gigs usually? That's over 10 times greater than the best selling system of all time!!

X-box 360, more powerful than the Nintendo DS... confirmed.
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Nice try, you could probably count on one hand the amount of PS2 games that used DL DVD. The only one I know of was GoW2. Everything else was on single-layer DVD's, 4.7 GB or less. DL DVD was fine for when the 360 was launched in 2005. HD DVD and Blu-ray hadn't even been released, yet.

This is only becoming an issue because MS wants to extend the life of the 360 beyond the normal 5 year pattern for consoles. They have had to get creative with things like optional installs and now this. The occasional multi-disc game also isn't nearly as big of a deal as the SDF Zealots so desperately want to believe.

EDIT: BTW, the PS3's disc storage advantage is seriously tarnished due to all the mandatory installs which are annoying as hell.
Hey, buddy..my response was doing him a favor. He wanted smackdown, so I gave it to him. Take it up with him, fool!
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Already being discussed in the GR. Not sure I see the smackdown. 1 GB of additional storage may be helpful, but its not a game-changer when the competition has 25-50 GB at their disposal. As far as the anti-piracy stuff is concerned, its about damn time.

I saw the article and didn't check the GR....I thought for sure all the shit talking about disc sizes this gen would lead to somebody posting it in here, so I just slapped it up there.
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Bah, PS2 doesn't matter. Here's some amazing info though, the Nintendo DS (you know, the most popular system of ALL TIME!) has a capacity of around 512 MB, and the 360 has, what... 6.9 gigs usually? That's over 10 times greater than the best selling system of all time!!

X-box 360, more powerful than the Nintendo DS... confirmed.
Ha...Nintendo has done some amazing things with what they have to work with. Coming back from losing ground around the ps1/ps2 days to how established they are now is a matter of business brilliance. Especially considering they aren't a huge home entertainment powerhouse like a Sony or Microsoft with their fingers in a little bit of everything.
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DVD is one reason why 360 can't have nice looking games like UC2 and GOW3.

I also think while an extra GB is nice, it won't curb piracy at all. It'll be hacked quickly. There's so much you can do with a reasonably secure architecture hampered by old tech such as DVD that's not firmware updateable.
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DVD is one reason why 360 can't have nice looking games like UC2 and GOW3.

I also think while an extra GB is nice, it won't curb piracy at all. It'll be hacked quickly. There's so much you can do with a reasonably secure architecture hampered by old tech such as DVD that's not firmware updateable.
Weird, I could swear that the original Crysis shipped on a DVD.
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