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Old 04-07-2009, 06:17 PM
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Announced just yesterday, Six Days in Fallujah for the PS3, Xbox 360, and PC is already catching some attention - and not in the good way too. Konami is now being blasted for coming up with a video game retelling one of the more extreme incidents in recent war history. People have detested that it's not a good idea to release this game - not now, not in the near future. Some even already want it banned completely.

Reported in the Daily Mail, the father of a Royal Marine in the Iraq war aired his rage against the game. With his son being killed in the war, this father has more than one reason to be upset with Konami's prospect of coming up with such a game:


Considering the enormous loss of life in the Iraq War, glorifying it in a video game demonstrates very poor judgement and bad taste... These horrific events should be confined to the annals of history, not trivialised and rendered for thrill-seekers to play out...

It's entirely possible that Muslim families will buy the game, and for them it may prove particularly harrowing. Even worse, it could end up in the hands of a fanatical young Muslim and incite him to consider some form of retaliation or retribution...

I will be calling for this game to be banned, if not worldwide then certainly in the UK.

Meanwhile, UK's anti-war group Stop The War Coalition has its own representative stating:

The massacre carried out by American and British forces in Fallujah in 2004 is amongst the worst of the war crimes carried out in an illegal and immoral war. It is estimated that up to 1,000 civilians died in the bombardment and house to house raids...

The American led assault on Fallujah pretended there were no civilians left in the city [but] over 50,000 people remained in their homes and took the brunt of the violence and chemical weapons...

To make a game out of a war crime and to capitalise on the death and injury of thousands is sick... The massacre in Fallujah should be remembered with shame and horror not glamorised and glossed over for entertainment.

And then there's also Birtish army officer Tim Collins OBE, who played a big role in the Iraq war in 2003. He's likewise frowning upon the game:

It's much too soon to start making video games about a war that's still going on, and an extremely flippant response to one of the most important events in modern history.
It's particularly insensitive given what happened in Fallujah, and I will certainly oppose the release of this game.

Pretty strong words spoken against such a new game that's barely even announced or revealed in full. But then again, these guys do raise a valid argument. It'd be intersting how Konami (and developer Atomic Games) will respond to these statements.
http://ps3.qj.net/Konami-blasted-for.../49/aid/130124

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It's looking like the next controversial videogame won't be coming from the good folks at Rockstar, as Konami's recently announced Six Days in Fallujah has already started raising eyebrows and anger. GamePolitics reports on several early reactions from various sources connected with the war in Iraq.
The Daily Mail took a comment from Reg Keys, whose son Thomas was a Royal Marine killed in 2003. "Considering the enormous loss of life in the Iraq War, glorifying it in a video game demonstrates very poor judgment and bad taste," he said. "These horrific events should be confined to the annals of history, not trivialised and rendered for thrill-seekers to play out." He goes on to say that he will be campaigning for the game to be banned, in the U.K. at the very least.

But Keys definitely wasn't the only one expressing distaste for the idea. Former colonel Tim Collins OBE, a veteran of the Iraq War, said it's "much too soon to start making video games about a war that's still going on." He calls it "flippant" and "insensitive," and also claims he'll oppose the release of the game. Finally, TechRadar interviewed Tansy Hoskins of the Stop War Coalition, who called the actual events of Fallujah a "massacre" and classified it as a "war crime."

The game is a bold step in storytelling, setting itself in an actual battle of an ongoing war. We don't know much about the game yet, so these comments may be premature, but it's hard not to sympathize with the feelings of people so closely connected to the Iraq War. The announcement seemed self-aware of how it's different from most games, which set themselves in vague or fictitious middle-eastern settings. Atomic Games president Peter Tamte said the company wants to give "insight into a historical situation in a way that only a video game can provide."

The subject matter is touchy, to say the least, and we're likely to hear more people speaking out as word of the game spreads. At the same time, a film or book of the same title and content would probably spark much less controversy given how those mediums are perceived by the public. While Six Days will have to be extremely careful with how it portrays the battle, it could also serve as a big step forward for games to tackle more serious subjects. That is, if it manages to pull it off in a respectful and non-offensive way.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3173622

There you have 2 different articled (with some overlap) looking into the issue of whether 6 Days in Fallujah is offensive, enlightening, or a non-issue. I personally agree with the final thought that if this were a book or movie, no one would be outraged. The medium of video games is still seen as that: entertainment only without a leg to stand on as "art" to make cultural statements.

Then again, maybe I am giving Konami too much credit for a game we haven't seen anything about yet.

What do you think?
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:37 PM
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Ahh, it might be too soon. This story, I thought was actually really good regarding a Rabbi, and his issues with Nazi's, and how COD WAW helped him process it. I think it's easy to do with a conflict that 90% or more of the world sees the same way, a right and a wrong.

EDIT... ooh, caught myself, I had a long discussion to be started here, but realised that it might get political.. erp.

Suffice it to say, I think you can do real events, but you need to be choosy.
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:40 PM
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Ahh, it might be too soon. This story, I thought was actually really good regarding a Rabbi, and his issues with Nazi's, and how COD WAW helped him process it.
Really interesting read, surprised I hadn't heard about this before. Thanks.
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yeah, I thought it was really good too. I passed it on to my wife who is a psychologist, expecting her to downplay it, give me the rolleyes, but she agreed and thought it was very interesting.
I was also impacted by CODWAW, and thought it was a very thought provoking game, I didn't have any expectations on it's quality (being that it was treyarch) except for decent gameplay based on COD4 engine, and was pleasantly surprised.
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How is it too soon? Were I used to live people were murdered every week. Most of them innocent bystander caught in the line of fire. This was only 5 years ago and is happening here in the United States, yet we have games like gta and saints row.
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This was only 5 years ago and is happening here in the United States, yet we have games like gta and saints row.
You really need a serious reality check if you're comparing the sheer chaos of a war zone, and living in the midst of it to urban violence. I've experienced both and they're not remotely similar. But that's a discussion I don't want to get into on a game/movie forum.

On topic, it might be too soon. However, wars have been exploited several times by the games industry before (there were Desert Storm themed ones too), and there will always be offended people.
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I think it really depends on how this is handled. This could actually be a change to create a VERY sobering game on war, depicting real emotional consequences and so forth. Of course this requires a rehaul of the War FPS in general. I mean I liked COD2 but it's still, to some extent, a fairly straightforward FPS but placed in a war environment. There is no real emotional context inked in or that deep.

The key here is to create your own environment with some really likeable, thoughtful characters being killed here and there and randomly. This in and of itself would truly help.

Truly to make something like this successful in the subject it depicts you might need equal parts Mania and Horror. Horror is something the war FPS's have done VERY little of.
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You really need a serious reality check if you're comparing the sheer chaos of a war zone, and living in the midst of it to urban violence. I've experienced both and they're not remotely similar. But that's a discussion I don't want to get into on a game/movie forum.

On topic, it might be too soon. However, wars have been exploited several times by the games industry before (there were Desert Storm themed ones too), and there will always be offended people.
Then don't get into it. I lived in a ghetto were people were drug addicts and drive by's happen almost every day. Just like I would never understand what goes on in war you would never understand what goes on in ghettos. I lost friends and family to stupid drug and turf wars. The only difference is people who fought in the iraq war chose to go there, people who are born in the ghetto don't get to choose to be born there. Get over it is a game nothing more.
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Then don't get into it. ... Get over it is a game nothing more.
I didn't, and I was just pointing out the obvious and if you care to read over the post again, I'm not offended. As I said, they're not even remotely comparable.

Another obvious point is, aside from the soldiers fighting, the civilian who die (and in this particular incident, a lot did) didn't choose to be there either.

To be clear, I'm not downplaying the harsh environment you speak of, but war is much harsher.
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I didn't, and I was just pointing out the obvious and if you care to read over the post again, I'm not offended. As I said, they're not even remotely comparable.

Another obvious point is, aside from the soldiers fighting, the civilian who die (and in this particular incident, a lot did) didn't choose to be there either.

To be clear, I'm not downplaying the harsh environment you speak of, but war is much harsher.
Yes but its a part of life just like being born in the ghetto or worse in the mexican border with USA. Besides they signed up for war the one's who fought in the war and this is a game. I don't see how they could be offended. At least in these war games you get to eliminate the "bad guys". In games like gta4 and sr2 the gangsters are the main chars and you can kill innocent bystanders, that is far worse in my eyes and yet I don't get offended by games like that. I don't get how someone could get offended by a game like this.
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