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Old 12-05-2015, 02:33 PM
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I don't think so, 2020 more like it
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Old 12-05-2015, 03:24 PM
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The latest rumors about Sony’s next generation PlayStation 5 indicate that we might see the new console as early as 2018. This would very much fit in with the belief of analysts that the PlayStation 4 generation is likely to be shorter than the lifespan of previous consoles. The main reason for this is that the current generation consoles are already somewhat out of date with available technology, and thus both Sony, and the competing Microsoft, are slaving away behind closed doors to work out what the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Two will look like.

With this in mind, rumors have emerged recently which suggest that Sony’s next generation PlayStation 5 will be five times more powerful in performance terms than the PlayStation 4. It is certainly essential for the Japanese corporation to pack the PlayStation 5 with as much power as possible, as this is one of the big Ppoblems that the PlayStation 4 is facing. Although Sony’s current generation console has massively outperformed the Xbox One, its inability to deliver state of the art gaming and features means that the PlayStation 5 will emerge sooner than Sony would perhaps wish for.

Central to the desire to improve the power of the PlayStation 5 will be delivering 4K graphics, and it is already suggested that this will be achieved via AMD technology. Sony has been something of a pioneer with regard to 4K, having already released the first ever mass-market 4K resolution smartphone. And it seems certain that this new display technology, already part of the entertainment landscape, will have gone mainstream by 2018.

So there are plenty of reasons to suppose that Sony may already be working on the PlayStation 5, and another such example emerged this week. A job listing was posted by Sony, suggesting that the company is seeking game game developers for a forthcoming video games console. The listing in question was for the position of Senior Game Programmer, with the job description giving away significant details about the proposed PlayStation 5.

The role of the programmer was to play a major part in developing a game for the Sony PlayStation, with this title ultimately be utilized in order to test the next generation gaming system. Indeed, the Sony advertisement notes that the game will be used “for R&D purposes related to our next generation gaming system.” The advertisement goes on to describe this job as a “very rare opportunity.”

Although the advertisement that didn’t specifically mention the PlayStation 5, it is a reasonable assumption that this is the device that Sony is indeed testing. It is obvious that the corporation would not require a game programmer for the existing PlayStation 4, so rumors are naturally already circulating that Sony is working on the next generation PlayStation 5. Although there is also the possibility that this advertisement could be related to the forthcoming project Morpheus Virtual reality system.

Reports this week have also suggested that Sony will be opting for upgraded AMD microprocessor when the PlayStation 5 is released. The inclusion of AMD would also enable Sony to ensure backwards compatibility from day one. This has been a complaint from gamers in previous console generations, and has become a weakness with recent console releases.

With the PlayStation 5 likely to embrace virtual reality in a big way, developers will have massive challenges with this new console. But these challenges shouldn’t be seen as a negative, it is also an exciting time for video game manufacturers, as they have the opportunity to reimagine the entire industry.

Confirming this trend, Shuhei Yoshida, President of Sony’s Worldwide Studios for Sony Computer Entertainment, has emphasized that the corporation will be providing full freedom to developers for the next generation console. Yoshida was keen to emphasize in an interview in California that game creators would not be inhibited at all when the PlayStation 5 is released.

Indeed, Yoshida suggested that Sony would collaborate closely with video game manufacturers during the development of the PlayStation 5 with the intention of ensuring that Sony ultimately produces the console that game creators desire. Yoshida implied that there would be a very open process in which the pros and cons of the PlayStation 4 were discussed in depth, with the intention of eliminating any weaknesses included in the current generation console when the PlayStation 5 is released.

Yoshida spoke of developers being able to “create their vision”, which in an era of ultra-fast processors, 4K resolution and immersive virtual reality technology is a very exciting prospect for gamers.

In another recent report on the PlayStation 5, the editor of the PlayStation Magazine, Ben Wilson, told the electronics website TechRadar that there is a possibility that the PlayStation 5 could turn out very different from what many people are imagining. Far from the high-spec beast that many are predicting, Wilson suggested that considering the immense growth of downloadable games that there is at least a possibility that the upcoming PlayStation 5 console will place a greater emphasis on streaming.

This is something that would clearly appeal to game manufacturers, who are generally opposed to physical media for several reasons. Piracy can still be an issue with DVDs and Blu-rays, while the hassle of manufacturing physical discs is not something that game developers relish.

Furthermore, streaming services would make it more feasible for the industry to switch to a revenue model based around subscriptions rather than ownership. Many gamers oppose this, but at the same time aspects of the contemporary gaming industry, such as downloadable content, have somewhat prepared then for this unpalatable prospect.

Nonetheless, Wilson also predicts that physical media will not be phased out completely with the PlayStation 5, despite the success of Steam on the PC. Many gamers continue to prefer special editions and exclusive packaging to what Wilson describes as “invisible downloads”, and this predilection should ensure that the beloved boxed game remains part of the makeup of the PlayStation 5.
The bolded stuck out to me as a red flag that the writer doesn't really know what he's talking about here. 4K TV adoption and rendering games in 4K are two completely different things. 4K isn't going to be realistically possible with up-to-date graphics, and at a $400 price point for another 7 or 8 years.

PS4 launched with the horsepower equivalent to a mid-range GPU from 2 years prior. Assuming the same is true for the PS5 and it launches in 2018, that means it will likely use something about as powerful as a GTX 980 or R9 390X, since those will be the equivalent of mid-range cards next year. Neither of those cards can run current games, at an acceptable frame rate, in 4k. And games just keep getting more and more advanced, so the requirements will be even higher in 2018. Video playback for UHD Blu-Ray? Sure - if they include a disc drive. But it's highly unlikely they would make the console extra expensive just to tick the 4K box. Also keep in mind 4K adoption on the PC side of things (which usually serves as the front lines of new tech), is currently sitting at a whopping 0.07% of users on Steam. Yep, less than 1/10th of one percent of players.

Then there's his point about steaming games: If Nvidia themselves can't get this workable for the average home user, there's no reason to think Sony can.
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Old 12-06-2015, 12:30 AM
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This is something that would clearly appeal to game manufacturers, who are generally opposed to physical media for several reasons. Piracy can still be an issue with DVDs and Blu-rays, while the hassle of manufacturing physical discs is not something that game developers relish.
Fucktards. There are still millions of people without a decent speed access to the internet. Not via landline, not via satellite, nothing.

Makes no difference really on piracy, actually, if anything it might be easier to bootleg a hard drive image than it is the discs because of the underlying microcode in the disc's protection system. To this day and age it is still not possible to make a working copy of an original playstation disc. This is due to the secret track they code the disc with that you cannot access via any drive to copy. That's where the mod chip market came from, to trick the unit to think the track is present.
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I'm guessing Sony is mostly working on PS5 to make sure they've got something in the pipe if MS dumps the One. I don't think they want to give MS another year headstart like they did the 360
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Fucktards. There are still millions of people without a decent speed access to the internet. Not via landline, not via satellite, nothing.
You certainly have a point, but I think next time they'll go without a disc drive. I think they'll view those without internet as "acceptable losses" compared to the increased profits they gain by cutting out the used market. Either that, or every game will come with a key that has to be authenticated online via a server. More likely they'll just push downloads as "convenience".
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You certainly have a point, but I think next time they'll go without a disc drive. I think they'll view those without internet as "acceptable losses" compared to the increased profits they gain by cutting out the used market. Either that, or every game will come with a key that has to be authenticated online via a server. More likely they'll just push downloads as "convenience".
Nah, 2018 is still too early for no discs. There will still be a drive. Probably a UHD BD drive.
I do however think they could test the whole "two options" thing.
1 console at a higher price with a drive and a 2nd console at a lower price which is download only.
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Nah, 2018 is still too early for no discs. There will still be a drive. Probably a UHD BD drive.
I do however think they could test the whole "two options" thing.
1 console at a higher price with a drive and a 2nd console at a lower price which is download only.
I'd say that's certainly a possibility. Or the disc-less console has a hard drive that's double the size at the same price. That would make sense as well.
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Old 12-06-2015, 03:31 PM
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PS5 talk already?? Too early in my book.
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Article is very poorly written - but I suppose that doesn't discredit the rumor. Timing seems right, if the gen is indeed only going to be ~5 years, then they need to be starting preliminary work on the next one now.
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Either that, or every game will come with a key that has to be authenticated online via a server.
This could be more realistic as even on a dialup connection that would take minimal time to do.
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