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Old 04-18-2017, 01:03 AM
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Default Perplexing Scoring Logic of HDD's Reviews

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I have multi-dipped on Rowling's franchises. Wondering
if I'll do the same for the 3D of Fantastic Beasts. Hope
to see that review.
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Bryan has finally reviewed the Blu-ray 3D, but unfortunately this one's For 3D Fans Only:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4164...indthem3d.html
Thanks for the 3D review.

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The wide interpretation and application of the scoring
logic in HDD's reviews often perplex me.

I completely agree with the Audio scoring logic used
in the review. The standard blu-ray release has
Atmos and Bryan loved it, so that got 5 Stars. The
3D disc doesn't include Atmos, only 5.1 DTS MA,
and Bryan hears the inferiority, so it got 4 Stars.

(There is no averaging of scores despite the
package includes both discs. At least, there is no
mention of averaging to reach the 4 Stars score.)

For the Video scoring of the 3D disc, the scoring
logic ignores that Bryan loved the standard blu-ray's
Video with 5 Stars. And if the 3D version doesn't
lose the detail, if the image isn't darker, and Bryan
notes that the colors pop just as much; so that
would suggest little to no loss in scoring. Further,
the 3D adds depth and fun, as Bryan commented,
so that would suggest additional points. But the
final tally is a lower 4.5 Stars for the 3D versus 5
Stars for the 2D?

(Admittedly 4.5 Stars versus 5 Stars is close.)

Lastly, the Bottom Line irks me. 2D is "HIGHLY
RECOMMENDED." And 3D is "FOR FANS ONLY." In
the scale of Bottom Lines, they are on opposite
spectrums. "A" student versus "D, F" student. I
even recall reviewers qualify their Bottom Line,
with language like this:
For fans of 3D, this is highly recommended, so
that's the Bottom Line: Highly Recommended.

But the review uses the negative Bottom Line
rating to essentially posit this:
For fans of excellent 3D, this is highly
recommended, so that's the Bottom Line: For
Fans Only. (Huh?!)

What's the point for this distinction in a 3D
review? Who would be considering a purchase of
of the 3D version, who ISN'T a fan of 3D? This
would be like writing a review for a Chinese
restaurant, and qualifying the strong, positive
recommendation only for fans of Chinese food.

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Even this sentence:
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Bryan has finally reviewed the Blu-ray 3D, but unfortunately this one's For 3D Fans Only:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4164...indthem3d.html
According to the review (acknowledging the
omission of Atmos), it's an excellent 3D
presentation. Actually reading the review, it's
FORTUNATE for 3D fans. But the use of the
Bottom Line with a negative connotation,
results in it having an "unfortunate"
description.

Maybe I'm nitpicking on words and scoring
tallies. But it just seems there's an
undercurrent of negativity. Even when the
3D presentation is excellently done, it must
be stressed, it's ONLY excellent for a
subgroup of people.

Would a UHD review emphasize an
excellent recommendation but ONLY for fans
of 2160p?
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I personally question the UHD scores. When this site started reviewing UHD movies they indicated there would be a higher expectation. With that being said how does a 2K DI release get a 5-star video rating? The HDR aspect is only part of the UHD score, resolution should still amount for at least half a point, if not a full point.
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Thank you for your suggestions. Fantastic Beasts 3D's Final Thoughts and Bottom Line should be clearer now. Also, the movie's 3D video score is not relative to its 2D counterpart, but rather to other 3D titles.

Lastly, UHD scores are based solely on the final product, not on a specification listed on IMDB. Our article about When 4K is Not 4K is extremely informative, but I wonder if it also creates an unnecessary bias at times. It's not an exact analogy, but some folks used to say 3D conversions couldn't compete with native 3D productions and, while there are certainly many bad 3D conversions, there is ample proof that 1) 3D conversions can be as effective or better than native productions and 2) there is a lot more to the process that we don't see -- ie, even native productions use some conversion. UHD is the same thing -- there have been mediocre upconversions and there will be ones that stand up against or best native 4K. For example, upconverting a CGI animated movie is probably going to look vastly better in UHD than a 4K scan of something like THE GHOSTBUSTERS.

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Well, we've determined that a 5.0 score for streaming might equate to a 3.5 for a blu ray. It's the format's potential and if the product is not fully utilized it is not a perfect score. I'm not going to rehash this argument again. A movie might be as good as it can possibly look and perhaps that is some of the weight involved but we have seen Blu Ray scores lowered because the source material is not the best. I see a parallel here.
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Thanks HDD. Appreciate the followup and amendments.
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Slither gets a 3.5 star overall score and is worth a look but yet Beyond the Gates gets 3.0 stars and is recommended.

Even the actual break down scores for movie itself, audio and video for Slither are higher.
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Hell or High Water 4K - very high scores, "For Fans Only"
Good Time, Pretty low scores, "Recommended"
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