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Old 09-06-2007, 08:44 AM
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http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...y1/cont/48.jpg

According to the slide shown, we can expect the following titles:

Aeon Flux
Babel
Black Rain
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Darkman
The Fugitive
The Frighteners
Full Metal Jacket
Hulk
The Italian Job
Pitch Black
Syriana
The Thing
TMNT
U2: Rattle and Hum


What's not clear is the groupings they'll be offered in (Group A-E, one title from each group).

Its thats true its abit disapointing line-up, i know they are free and all but when you have to choose a title just for the sake of it and not because you want it then somethings not quite right!

Also Europe better get the 2 pack-in discs especially when they are the best discs out of all of these listed!
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Old 09-06-2007, 09:03 AM
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1. I think 30 million makes perfect sense if:

a: you count HD DVD add ons, plus the new Venturers, the deals, the Computers and such. I think Toshiba is getting ready to announce HD-DVD being standard in all of their computers. I think by taking the PS3 approach with a trojan horse they'd only stand to gain. Once people have it in their laptops they'd probably also consider getting it for their TV. Once there they have two players. Wow. I'm a Mac person though so I'm hoping the lack of a blu-ray player released yet by apple when they should have a long time ago says something.

b: you include the current amount of players already out there.

2. The 125 titles sounds pretty dang amazing. I could care less whether they are good or not. Having more than Blu-ray in number of titles while blu-ray scrambles to throw out discs that don't work on all players might just seal the deal. When we have a bigger rack at Best Buy for all the HD DVDs, it might tell customers who is winning.

3. My only hope is that the other brand players start showing up more. Or that Samsung releases an HD DVD stand alone. They've got Blu-ray, consumers are asking for it. They would only stand to gain from having it, am I right? What is everyone elses thoughts?
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Its thats true its abit disapointing line-up, i know they are free and all but when you have to choose a title just for the sake of it and not because you want it then somethings not quite right!

Also Europe better get the 2 pack-in discs especially when they are the best discs out of all of these listed!
If I could get these:

TMNT
The Frighteners
Pitch Black
Full Metal Jacket
Aeon Flux

That would be great for me!
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Old 09-07-2007, 12:46 PM
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Does anyone have any idea who ordered all the low end models? I have read that Wal Mart won't carry them, how many were made?
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6. Total HD DVD player unit sales are expected to reach more than 30 million stand alone units by the end of 07. (I know htis number sounds high so I'll check tomorrow and post a correction if my notes are incorrect)
That has to be wrong. There are 130,774,966 DVD players sold in the US. That's saying HD DVD will make 22% of total DVD player sales since 1997 will be made in the next 3 months. Quite ridiculous.

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8. According to NPD data, BD stand alone players have 16% market share, HD DVD enjoys a 33% market share, while SD DVD holds 51%.
That has to be wrong as well.

Where do you get this crap?
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That has to be wrong. There are 130,774,966 DVD players sold in the US. That's saying HD DVD will make 22% of total DVD player sales since 1997 will be made in the next 3 months. Quite ridiculous.



That has to be wrong as well.

Where do you get this crap?
Thise are worldwide numbers, including PC's, standalone players, everything. If it is 30 million I think they meant by the end of 2008. If it's by the end of 2007, I would say 3 million is accurate.
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Where do you get this crap?
I have to agree.

Anyone with a lick of common sense realizes that something is completely wrong with a couple of these statements. When it comes to numbers, it is fuzzy logic at it's finest.

LET'S REVIEW: The statement clearly says: STAND ALONE PLAYER SALES

It does not say PC drives, or game console drives, or laptop drives. It specifically is talking about the highly touted stand alone numbers. Which, as has been pointed out, is far below the levels of DVD and Tosh. has made YTD claims of only being 55% to BD 45% - not at all what it says in this statement! (contradiction)

I wish Tosh. would stop lying about their numbers. They have plenty of good things to talk up without resorting to BS, and if they are going to hold a press release then they need to focus on their real world numbers that don't make them look like idiots.

How do they get their numbers? Probably they have a 'TOSHIBA' store somewhere and it sells 99% Toshiba stuff and so they took the numbers from that store and sure enough, got the results they wanted. %-(
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I have to agree.

Anyone with a lick of common sense realizes that something is completely wrong with a couple of these statements. When it comes to numbers, it is fuzzy logic at it's finest.

LET'S REVIEW: The statement clearly says: STAND ALONE PLAYER SALES

It does not say PC drives, or game console drives, or laptop drives. It specifically is talking about the highly touted stand alone numbers. Which, as has been pointed out, is far below the levels of DVD and Tosh. has made YTD claims of only being 55% to BD 45% - not at all what it says in this statement! (contradiction)

I wish Tosh. would stop lying about their numbers. They have plenty of good things to talk up without resorting to BS, and if they are going to hold a press release then they need to focus on their real world numbers that don't make them look like idiots.

How do they get their numbers? Probably they have a 'TOSHIBA' store somewhere and it sells 99% Toshiba stuff and so they took the numbers from that store and sure enough, got the results they wanted. %-(
Don't you think it's okay to include the HD DVD add-on for the 360 as a standalone since it's purpose is for HD DVD playing only? It's not like the PS3 which can do gaming too... it's sole purpose is to play movies. I think it's stupid to include laptops in stand alone sales, thats just like the PS3, but I think the 360s can be. Thoughts?
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Does anyone have any idea who ordered all the low end models? I have read that Wal Mart won't carry them, how many were made?
If walmart isn't carrying the Venturas.... then who is? And since walmart ordered 200 million low end HD DVD players...what brand are they? Where did you read this rob?
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Don't you think it's okay to include the HD DVD add-on for the 360 as a standalone since it's purpose is for HD DVD playing only? It's not like the PS3 which can do gaming too... it's sole purpose is to play movies. I think it's stupid to include laptops in stand alone sales, thats just like the PS3, but I think the 360s can be. Thoughts?
A stand alone player is a player which can operate without any external help. The X360 drive IS a PC drive. So, while it can be connected to a X360, it can't operate without a significant investment in some sort of additional decoder/source device.

I personally believe that 100% of X360 add-ons should be included when we discuss 'players', but not when the term stand-alone is used. Stand alone players are pretty specifically defined as devices like the Toshiba A2 or Samsung 1400 models.

When we are just talking players - then the add-on and a percentage of the PS3 consoles MUST be included. Including all PS3s isn't accurate since it clearly isn't true that they are all being used for HD playback. Ignoring all of them is just as silly since some clearly are being used for that purpose.

I would have to say the add-on is no more or less a player than the PS3, but it quite clearly is more easily identified as an additional player in the market.
 

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