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Old 04-13-2008, 07:16 AM
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Unless you believe in magic... They claim 110 W/channel, but this is only possible with 2 channels driven. The power consumption on these are all less than 250 W. Unless these are generating their own power, or are greater than 100% efficient, they aren't going to even be able to have 110 W/channel peaks in surround sound mode, let alone RMS.
My STR-DG910 is quoted at 700W RMS, into 8ohm load, and each channel is 100W.

http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProdu...a+Receiver#tab

I have no idea where you got your numbers from, but they are clearly wrong. I suspect this is more a case of "different to my system, so it automatically sucks" syndrome..
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:52 AM
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Onkyo TX-SR605. Im sure the Sony is nice, but the cheapest i see it is in the low 300's and the 605 is only $50 more and it has a lot more features.
I agree. I'd try to import one from the US if possible.
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My STR-DG910 is quoted at 700W RMS, into 8ohm load, and each channel is 100W.

http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProdu...a+Receiver#tab

I have no idea where you got your numbers from, but they are clearly wrong. I suspect this is more a case of "different to my system, so it automatically sucks" syndrome..
That's what Sony claims. But look in your own manual FFS. Under power consumption: 260 W. No way in hell is that going to hit 700 W RMS, unless of course you DO believe in magic.
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i have had the 710 for a few months now.... no complaints
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Onkyo TX-SR605. Im sure the Sony is nice, but the cheapest i see it is in the low 300's and the 605 is only $50 more and it has a lot more features.
agreed my 605 works flawlessly best future proof receiver for the cheapest price.
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Old 04-13-2008, 02:24 PM
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"Louder" isn't the only benefit of better amplification. I'm sure even at 2/3 volume on the 910 you're getting significant clipping, and turning it up further will only introduce more and result in greater distortion. Other AVR's also have lower THD (these low end Sony receivers have 10% THD in surround mode). More headroom in the amplification also allows much better dynamics, which improves the clarity of the sound reproduction and imo more-so than going to lossless audio.

added: it's sad that even in stereo mode, these Sony's have 1% THD, which I think most would agree is audible
Looking at Crutchfield it shows the DG810/910 to have .09% THD versus .08% THD for the SR605. Looking at the back of my manual confirms it. If I ever heard clipping or distortion from my 910 I would've sold it, but I haven't had any complaints.

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Onkyo TX-SR605. Im sure the Sony is nice, but the cheapest i see it is in the low 300's and the 605 is only $50 more and it has a lot more features.
I know the 605 is a good receiver, I recomended it to my cousin and it sounds great. If I had a stand-alone with bitstreaming I would definately get the 605 for it's decoding capabilites, of which the PS3 unfortunately can not take advantage of. However, this thread is about the best budget HDMI/LPCM receiver for the PS3 and the DG810 can be had for well under $300 depending on where you look.
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Looking at Crutchfield it shows the DG810/910 to have .09% THD versus .08% THD for the SR605. Looking at the back of my manual confirms it. If I ever heard clipping or distortion from my 910 I would've sold it, but I haven't had any complaints.
Look in the manual. In surround mode these Sony's have 10% THD. I'm not saying they're bad, finding the 810 for $250 or less is an OK way to get HDMI audio (although I'd wager a better optical receiver for the price with lossy audio is a better sounding setup, afterall what's the point of lossless audio when the receiver has poor dynamic range and high levels of distortion), but you have to be realistic about what they can and can't do. IMO the minimum Sony receivers worth getting are the ES line.
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Old 04-13-2008, 05:32 PM
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I have the 910 and it's a very solid reciever for the bucks, I only paid $350 CAD for it and am very satisfied.
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That's what Sony claims. But look in your own manual FFS. Under power consumption: 260 W. No way in hell is that going to hit 700 W RMS, unless of course you DO believe in magic.
From the specs:

http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/3094430311.pdf

Min 90W RMS. 700W in total.

http://whathifi.com/home-cinema/arch...t-163-179.aspx

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/rec...-receiver.html

http://www.testfreaks.com/receivers/sony-str-dg910/

http://www.amazon.com/review/product...owViewpoints=1
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RTFM (straight from Sony), or even on the back of your receiver. Page 98: Power consumption: 260 W. Even more embarrassing is Page 90, Total THD in surround mode: 10%. There's a reason that other receivers weigh twice as much, the transformers and heatsinks required to really drive hundreds of watts are massive.

It's obvious that this is more of a case of "I own it, therefore any flaws that people point out don't really exist" syndrome..
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