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Old 09-02-2008, 07:47 AM
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HD DVD File size: 25 GB

Bitrate: 20.54 mbps


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                                                                                Total      Video
Title                    Codec    Length    Movie Size         Disc Size       Bitrate     Bitrate     Main Audio Track     IME    Secondary Audio Track
Transformers             AVC    2:23:18     26,911,285,248*    27,972,889,186    25.03    20.54      DDPlus 5.1 1536Kbps    Yes
Blu-ray File size: 41.40 GB

Bitrate: 31.43 mbps



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                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
Transformers                                                    AVC     2:23:27 44,482,652,160  45,753,719,301  41.34   31.43   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3659Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)  DD AC3+ 2.0 192Kbps


DISC INFO:

Disc Size:      45,753,719,301 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:           00010.mpls
Size:           44,482,652,160 bytes
Length:         2:23:27 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:  41.34 Mbps
Description:    

FILES:

Name            Size            Length          Time In         Time Out        
----            ----            ------          -------         --------        
00010.M2TS      44,482,652,160  2:23:27.307     0:00:00.000     2:23:27.307     

VIDEO:

 Codec               Bitrate         Description     
-----               -------         -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video    31427 kbps      1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
MPEG-4 AVC Video    690 kbps        480p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / High Profile 3.2

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         3659 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3659kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Plus Audio        English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         42 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           English         46 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           English         21 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           French          39 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           French          0 kbps                          
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      32 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         32 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         0 kbps                          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time            Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          ----            ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:02:04.708     26,779 kbps     38,469 kbps     00:00:33.450    35,378 kbps     00:01:12.739    35,164 kbps     00:01:07.693    139,614 bytes   561,785 bytes   00:00:40.082    
2               0:02:04.708     0:06:49.826     33,156 kbps     45,809 kbps     00:07:54.140    35,705 kbps     00:06:02.112    35,130 kbps     00:05:57.274    172,863 bytes   551,935 bytes   00:07:55.100    
3               0:08:54.534     0:06:39.107     31,597 kbps     37,980 kbps     00:13:15.920    35,281 kbps     00:11:46.706    35,041 kbps     00:13:15.503    164,733 bytes   603,282 bytes   00:13:38.443    
4               0:15:33.641     0:06:47.741     31,817 kbps     38,168 kbps     00:19:00.222    35,287 kbps     00:20:29.603    35,044 kbps     00:15:59.292    165,880 bytes   631,204 bytes   00:18:20.182    
5               0:22:21.382     0:05:21.279     31,387 kbps     37,643 kbps     00:24:42.606    35,222 kbps     00:22:55.291    35,018 kbps     00:22:51.829    163,637 bytes   562,753 bytes   00:22:23.801    
6               0:27:42.661     0:05:42.717     32,050 kbps     38,719 kbps     00:31:52.035    35,254 kbps     00:30:49.806    35,085 kbps     00:29:47.661    167,095 bytes   534,701 bytes   00:27:44.705    
7               0:33:25.378     0:05:32.624     31,036 kbps     37,856 kbps     00:36:03.244    35,203 kbps     00:35:05.395    34,935 kbps     00:35:12.110    161,806 bytes   528,644 bytes   00:37:00.176    
8               0:38:58.002     0:06:15.918     31,973 kbps     39,935 kbps     00:42:59.827    35,480 kbps     00:44:44.724    35,069 kbps     00:41:47.422    166,694 bytes   572,494 bytes   00:44:49.687    
9               0:45:13.920     0:06:32.517     31,650 kbps     38,272 kbps     00:50:44.792    35,485 kbps     00:50:40.704    34,950 kbps     00:46:43.050    165,010 bytes   570,222 bytes   00:48:16.227    
10              0:51:46.437     0:06:58.251     31,727 kbps     40,555 kbps     00:52:10.044    35,480 kbps     00:53:57.109    35,051 kbps     00:54:41.778    165,409 bytes   460,339 bytes   00:54:49.036    
11              0:58:44.688     0:08:03.733     31,890 kbps     39,128 kbps     00:58:51.153    35,309 kbps     01:00:31.962    35,039 kbps     01:00:15.612    166,258 bytes   508,239 bytes   01:03:02.612    
12              1:06:48.421     0:05:05.138     31,213 kbps     37,428 kbps     01:06:50.381    35,309 kbps     01:06:48.421    34,999 kbps     01:11:24.071    162,731 bytes   533,981 bytes   01:10:59.672    
13              1:11:53.559     0:05:02.886     31,439 kbps     38,244 kbps     01:14:00.311    35,299 kbps     01:13:40.291    35,027 kbps     01:14:56.367    163,908 bytes   491,228 bytes   01:12:47.863    
14              1:16:56.445     0:06:40.901     31,644 kbps     37,999 kbps     01:19:46.824    35,255 kbps     01:17:53.335    35,056 kbps     01:16:58.948    164,976 bytes   444,264 bytes   01:19:36.563    
15              1:23:37.346     0:05:26.826     31,943 kbps     39,873 kbps     01:27:52.642    35,289 kbps     01:28:17.125    34,903 kbps     01:25:56.485    166,534 bytes   439,780 bytes   01:24:32.776    
16              1:29:04.172     0:07:24.569     31,420 kbps     37,995 kbps     01:30:36.264    35,280 kbps     01:30:32.010    35,105 kbps     01:30:27.339    163,807 bytes   582,369 bytes   01:35:04.407    
17              1:36:28.741     0:07:29.366     31,722 kbps     39,477 kbps     01:42:49.121    35,428 kbps     01:38:32.323    35,021 kbps     01:38:27.401    165,382 bytes   569,775 bytes   01:36:29.784    
18              1:43:58.107     0:05:47.639     31,533 kbps     38,120 kbps     01:44:39.356    35,388 kbps     01:46:07.403    34,692 kbps     01:46:37.933    164,398 bytes   564,541 bytes   01:48:26.208    
19              1:49:45.746     0:07:08.261     31,697 kbps     41,719 kbps     01:49:57.382    35,626 kbps     01:54:55.680    35,121 kbps     01:54:50.717    165,253 bytes   509,978 bytes   01:53:13.412    
20              1:56:54.007     0:06:15.875     31,637 kbps     39,547 kbps     01:57:33.338    35,734 kbps     01:57:29.251    34,864 kbps     02:02:34.389    164,942 bytes   521,315 bytes   02:02:34.472    
21              2:03:09.882     0:07:34.037     31,695 kbps     40,129 kbps     02:10:20.813    35,453 kbps     02:09:30.012    35,181 kbps     02:09:25.091    165,244 bytes   503,544 bytes   02:07:27.139    
22              2:10:43.919     0:04:18.384     32,101 kbps     38,702 kbps     02:11:16.285    35,335 kbps     02:14:14.672    35,015 kbps     02:14:14.797    167,361 bytes   549,624 bytes   02:14:20.636    
23              2:15:02.303     0:08:25.004     27,622 kbps     38,918 kbps     02:16:42.069    35,325 kbps     02:15:20.612    35,107 kbps     02:15:18.819    144,010 bytes   737,573 bytes   02:21:10.921    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Seconds         Bytes           Packets         Bitrate         
----            ---             ----            -------         -----           -------         -------         
00010.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            8607.31         33,812,353,897  183,884,300     31,427          
00010.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x83            8607.31         4,625,014,216   31,293,394      4,299           
00010.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            8607.31         688,586,240     4,034,685       640             
00010.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            8607.31         688,586,240     4,034,685       640             
00010.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            8607.31         206,575,872     1,344,895       192             
00010.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            8607.31         44,899,250      256,864         42              
00010.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            8607.31         48,965,078      280,333         46              
00010.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            8607.31         41,495,863      238,512         39              
00010.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            8607.31         34,518,910      199,322         32              
00010.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            8607.31         34,307,182      198,267         32              
00010.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            8607.31         411,223         2,355           0               
00010.M2TS      4614 (0x1206)   0x90            8607.31         428,816         2,458           0               
00010.M2TS      4615 (0x1207)   0x90            8607.31         22,347,372      133,766         21              
00010.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0x1B            8607.31         742,898,047     4,143,364       690             
00010.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA1            8607.31         206,575,872     1,344,895       192

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No discernible difference in PQ while watching the movie. Anyone that tells otherwise is looking thru tinted sunglasses with an alcoholic beverage on the side

After the dissappointing releases of some Blu-ray titles these past few months due to bad, ugly transfers and excessive use of DNR with some EE sprinkled on the top, it has shown incontrovertible proof that bitrates alone can not dictate PQ. The transfer quality of the movies also has to be taken into consideration.

With Transformers both criteria has been satisfied. No DNR, No EE. Same transfer used from the previous HD DVD (released last year). It was grainy, sharp and of course since this is Bay's movie, boosted contrast and lots of len's flare. Paramount did a good job on this one (not unlike other studios lately) and deserves praise for "leaving it alone".

The AQ has always been a hot topic for this HD release. Is it better sounding than the lossy Dolby Digital Plus? In my setup it just plays a liitle bit louder. If you are still using your TV speakers and your "home theater in the box speakers" to hookup your PS3 or BD player, then don't worry about all of this. Once you upgrade to a HDMI receiver that decodes lossless sound and match that with a real 5.1 or 7.1 speaker setup maybe then you will be able to hear the difference.

Reference PQ and AQ.

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On first glance i thought the HD DVD version looked better but after another look it is the same as the blu-ray version as expected.

That DVD shot is shocking,i forgot how bad DVD was
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Optimus looks like a blob on the DVD version.
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DVD has always looked that way, nothing new. There is just no detail in DVD when compared to HD DVD or Blu-ray Disc.
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Interesting, thanks!
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Old 09-02-2008, 11:21 AM
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Quote:
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Optimus looks like a blob on the DVD version.
And the halos! Ugggh.
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