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Old 10-26-2015, 03:33 PM
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Shannon has reviewed 'Tomorrowland'. He says this is ultimately a failure, but it fails in big and glorious ways, so it's still worth a look. Here's why...

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"I feel it's my duty to report that Damon Lindelof shares a screenplay credit here with Director Brad Bird, and while it's unfair to state without hard evidence the source of 'Tomorrowland's weaker story elements, let's just say Lindelof doesn't have a very good track record in his post-Lost career and leave things at that."

Lindelof should never be allowed to work in Hollywood, at least on big budget films. He's a disaster AND I liked this movie. The potential was there to make a great movie IMO. I still had some fun with it. Clooney and the girl make a nice team. The audio and picture quality were really good I thought.
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I thought this was a pretty great flick, a lot better than age of ultron and jurassic world.
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Can well all just agree, at this point, that the magic of Lost was not Lindelof, but J.J. Abrahams? He is the only name attached to Lost that has seen any success beyond that show, from Fringe to Star Trek. Hell, they gave the dude Star Wars.
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Can well all just agree, at this point, that the magic of Lost was not Lindelof, but J.J. Abrahams? He is the only name attached to Lost that has seen any success beyond that show, from Fringe to Star Trek. Hell, they gave the dude Star Wars.
J.J. Abrams had little involvement with LOST beyond the pilot (which he directed and co-wrote). Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse were the co-showrunners for most of the series.

I am convinced -- and have been for many years -- that most of the good things about LOST can be credited to Cuse. I also firmly believe any other idea that wasn't completely idiotic and didn't come from Cuse was the work of literally anyone else involved with the show who isn't named Damon Lindelof.

Cuse followed up LOST with Bates Motel, a show far less terrible than anything Lindelof has had his name attached to since LOST ended.

We can all agree: Damon sucks. Most will also say that Carlton doesn't. At the very least, they'll agree he at least sucks less than his former co-worker.*

*Cuse is a producer and an occasionally credited writer of The Strain, which is usually Lindelof-level sucky. Still, his track record is much better than Lindelof's.
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*Cuse is a producer and an occasionally credited writer of The Strain, which is usually Lindelof-level sucky. Still, his track record is much better than Lindelof's.
I was about to post this in rebuttal to you. At one point, I may have been inclined to believe the "Cuse was the genius of the pair" theory, but The Strain pretty much completely negates it. That show is awful. And Cuse is not just a producer. He's the show-runner. Every decision gets filtered through him.

What I find much more likely is that Lindelof and Cuse only really work well as a team, where each one's strengths counterbalance out the other's weaknesses.

That said, I do like Bates Motel. But it's not on the same level as Lost (say what you will about the final season).
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Can well all just agree, at this point, that the magic of Lost was not Lindelof, but J.J. Abrahams? He is the only name attached to Lost that has seen any success beyond that show, from Fringe to Star Trek. Hell, they gave the dude Star Wars.
Carlton Cuse, who was an executive-producer and writer for LOST, has had success post-LOST with Bates Motel, The Strain, and San Andreas.
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I was about to post this in rebuttal to you. At one point, I may have been inclined to believe the "Cuse was the genius of the pair" theory, but The Strain pretty much completely negates it. That show is awful. And Cuse is not just a producer. He's the show-runner. Every decision gets filtered through him.
Don't forget Chuck Hogan. Cuse came aboard The Strain as showrunner because Hogan was untested and the network wouldn't let a newbie run a tentpole show by himself.

Cuse and Hogan can share equal blame. Hogan is co-author/creator/head writer, meaning he fostered and filtered a lot of those bad ideas out of the writer's room and onto the page. Cuse pushed the bad ideas the rest of the way through production. And to be absolutely fair, let's also blame Guillermo del Toro, because the source material isn't particularly good to begin with.

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What I find much more likely is that Lindelof and Cuse only really work well as a team, where each one's strengths counterbalance out the other's weaknesses.
Perhaps. Lindelof comes off as such a smug asshole in everything I've head him on/seen him in that I assume he's the untalented, difficult one by default.

Lindelof's biggest problems are not necessarily his ideas, but in the execution of them. Most things he does seem only partially developed. Maybe Cuse, as a more seasoned veteran in the business, was able to guide and nurture any of Lindelof's really great ideas for LOST the rest of the way. And let's not forget, LOST had a lot of good writers on staff. Really, it had a talented crew all around, with full support from the network to go places most series wouldn't (and still don't) on broadcast TV. LOST was special, and pretty much the best work of all involved.

Lindelof's downfall might also be his inability to work well with others, doubled by having the misfortune of signing on to some very troubled productions, post-LOST.

Prometheus is as shitty as it is because -- at least in part -- Lindelof and the original writer couldn't get along. And if you compare the various drafts of that screenplay, it almost seems like Lindelof purposefully made things worse. Moments that completely worked/made sense in the original stages became the dumbest things in the final film. The original writer's audio commentary is hilariously bitter.

World War Z was a mess from beginning to end, at all stages of production, and its faults are not exclusively the product of Lindelof.

Tomorrowland's failure (perhaps too harsh as I think it's an okay film, imperfect though it is) is a result of Disney's own issues and the cracks in their corporate culture.

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That said, I do like Bates Motel. But it's not on the same level as Lost (say what you will about the final season).
I have mostly good things to say about LOST's final season. I liked it. And I'm also of the opinion that most people who didn't like the final episodes were watching the show wrong from the beginning.

And I like Bates Motel too. Cuse is still very much involved with Bates Motel, and it's the better of his two series by far. Of course, that's not particularly surprising. Unlike The Strain, Bates has a solid foundation.
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In some ways, I think Tomorrowland is this year's John Carter or Lone Ranger: better than most give it credit for, and a film that didn't deserve to bomb as hard as it did. (Like those other two, the conspiracy theorist in me also wonders if Disney intentionally set the film up for failure, to both reign in a director and cushion their books at the same time.)

The film's reputation precedes itself, thus viewers went into it with baggage (some people are predestined to hate anything with Damon Lindelof's name in the credits), and I think plenty were put off by Tomorrowland not being what they expected (poor advertising) and then failed to see it (and critique it) for what it actually was.

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Animated Short: The Origins of Plus Ultra (HD, 3 min.) This animated short provides the background of the group that got together to build 'Tomorrowland'. Viewers also are given the option to view this short immediately before the feature presentation.
Fantastic. The short (which was animated by Pixar!) is great, and I was sad to learn it had been cut from the finished film. Glad it's now back, and can (optionally) be viewed as the primer it was originally intended to be.

For those who haven't seen the short yet, here's the nifty retro-styled sequence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-USh0Womb4 Tomorrowland... "Every July, peas grow there."

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Deleted Scenes with Filmmaker Introductions (HD, 23 min.) A collection of six deleted scenes, which can be watched together or individually, and consisting of 'Joking on the Eiffel Tower' (2 min.); 'Young Casey vs. The Volcano' (3 min.); 'Doomsday Living Room' (3 min.); 'As Originally Written Casey the Downer' (7 min.); 'What Happened to Tomorrowland?' (3 min.); and 'What is Tomorrowland?' (4 min.).
Care to expand on these, Shannon?

More specifically, do the deleted scenes contain the Walt Disney scenes/references removed from the final cut?

I've been hoping some (or all) of the Disney scenes would make their way on to the disc. Even if Bird and co. (and most importantly, the studio, apparently) don't think so, everything I've read about the deleted Walt material makes it sound like removing the character and more explicit Disney references from the film was a mistake.

I understand Walt Disney (and mention of him) was deleted to keep the film form feeling "too meta", but had he/they remained a more prominent feature, I think the film would've been a lot more fun. And then, instead of seeming like a (tonally inconsistent) "kids movie", the extra dose of nostalgia might've turned Tomorrowland into the kind of movie that makes viewers feel like kids again, and the "preachy" message, optimism, and elements of whimsical fantasy wouldn't have been so... off-putting, I guess?
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Fantastic. The short (which was animated by Pixar!) is great, and I was sad to learn it had been cut from the finished film. Glad it's now back, and can (optionally) be viewed as the primer it was originally intended to be.

For those who haven't seen the short yet, here's the nifty retro-styled sequence:

That was a cool short. I like that it is now an option included
in the blu-ray. I like to add, I almost didn't watch it. The
name, Plus Ultra, that could be reworked. I wondered if I
really wanted to watch the origin of extra strong & soft tissue
paper. I kept thinking of Puffs Ultra.
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