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Old 07-18-2007, 05:22 PM
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Default Why does Casino Royale have bars on my widescreen tv?

I also own Saw 3 on Blu Ray..and that movie takes up the whole screen on my 37'' Widescreen. However, Casino Royale has bars on the top on bottom..as if I was watching it on a 4:3 format TV. Does anybody know why this is?
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:28 PM
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Yeah, Saw 3 was filmed in 1:85 ratio and Casino Royale was filmed in 2:40, I'm sure someone else here can give you a better explanation.
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what exactly do those numbers mean by the way?
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:42 PM
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The aspect ratio is a mathematical relationship that compares the width of an image to its height.

Standard televisions are 4:3, often simplified to 1.33:1 -- basically, for every 1 foot of height, there is 1.33 feet of width.

Widescreen TVs are 16:9, or 1.77:1.

Most classic (pre-1950's) films were shot in 1.33:1 -- the "academy ratio" is that of a standard frame of 35mm film. To compete with TV entering homes in the 1950's, movies started being shot "wider."

In the most basic terms, there are two ways to shoot a widescreen film -- "flat" and "anamorphic." "Flat" movies simply involve masking the top and bottoms of a frame to acheive a wider aspect than 4:3 -- Saw is an example of this. Traditionally in the US, flat films are projected at about 1.85:1 -- a little wider than an HDTV. In Europe it's closer to 1.66:1. Often films are shot "open matte" -- in that while on set, the whole 4:3 frame is exposed. Projectors in movie theaters have mattes to mask the parts of the frame that should not be shown -- if you go to a theater and this matte isn't installed for whatever reason, you often see boom mics in frame and other things that are not intended to be seen by an audience.

Anamorphic films, also called "scope" (an abbreviation for Cinemascope, which was an early anamorphic format), use a special lens that squeezes a wider image onto a 35mm film frame. When unsqueezed to show the proper image these films are around 2.35:1 or 2.40:1.

In order to fit the wider 2.35:1 image on a 16:9 TV, black bars must be presented at the top and bottom of the screen. If you look at Casino Royale on a 4:3 TV, you'll notice that the bars occupy a much larger percentage of the screen than they do on a 16:9 TV.

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There is a good thread on the black bars here...

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=11884

Basically the numbers are dimensions... a 1:85 movie is about 1.85" wide for every 1" tall, a 2:40 movie is about 2.4" wide for every 1 " tall. Since widescreen tv's area about 1.8" wide for every 1" tall 1:85 movies take up the entire screen but in order to see the entire width of 2:40 movies it results in bars on the top and bottom.
Lol when i read that article i thought to myself.. duh everyone here knows this!!! But this thread proves it was a good article to post but even so OP didn't read it :/
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is this a real question....guh
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:48 AM
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is this a real question....guh
I thought the thread title was a joke too...

I guess we all had to learn about aspect ratios at some point in order to under stand them.

Now, where is that thread asking what a UPC code is...
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Old 07-19-2007, 01:56 AM
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there are basicaly 2 types of widescreen, a 1.85:1 and a 2.35:1 , Saw was the first one while Casino royale is the second ratio. so sometimes you will have some bars on your tv
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:32 AM
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Thanks guys, lol I guess it was a dumb question after all. But does anybody actually prefer 2.35:1 to 1.85:1 ?
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:09 AM
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Somehow I always get the feeling that I'm not watching a 'real' movie when it's in 1.85:1 or 1.77:1, more like watching a TV show. So yes, I prefer 2.35:1 for my movies.
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