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Old 01-30-2013, 01:28 PM
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Default Blu-ray Disc Association Ponders 4K Blu-rays

Though packing 4K content onto a Blu-ray disc should be possible, there's a lot to think about before going forward.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:10 PM
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In however many years when 8k comes to home video, what will they call it? SUHD = super ultra HD. Or I like EHD = extreme HD.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:20 PM
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I don't understand why there would need to be a new disc format, if 4K can work on a Blu-Ray disc. It's like watching a current Blu-Ray on an SD TV, yeah it will look better, but not nearly as good as if you had the proper screen. It should be the same way this time, yeah you can play your 4K Blu-Ray on your HD systems, but it won't be as good as if you had the proper screen. I still feel like Blu-Ray is fairly new. (It hasn't even been 10 years) And I'm still trying to upgrade my DVD collection to Blu-Ray, and I now have most of my quadruple dipped favorites in the format. So for a brand new disc format to come out and render my discs and players obsolete, would really rub me the wrong way. Sorry for ranting but the bottom line is, they should just put 4K movies on Blu-Ray discs that will work just fine with everyones players and televisions. And if people desire to upgrade their players and televisions to get the most out of it then they have that option, without making us Blu-Ray owners feel like we just wasted our money upgrading our collections these past 7 years.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:50 PM
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I don't see why there would really need to be new hardware or anything. Stick with the MPEG-4 codec, just at a higher res. Push out firmware updates to current players to scale the picture down. The only issue I could see is that maybe players do not have a fast enough processor to process the scalling. You could probably also, with firmware updates, add Deep Color and allow 1080p 25/30/50/60. In fact, if the players already support HDMI 1.4, current players could probably export the 4k discs to 4k TVs with the firmware update as well
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:37 PM
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I guess it has been around 7 yrs. since Blu-Ray was introduced but for some reason it just doesn't seem like it has been that long. Maybe that is due to the fact that the first couple of years was spent battling HD DVD. Anyway, it's inevitable, I suppose, but some of us are just now getting our Blu-Ray library built up and now we hear about a different format again? Or maybe, same format (Blu-Ray) but a 4K version which means that if we choose to embrace it, it means buying all the same movies all over again. I mean Blu-Ray hasn't even beaten the DVD market yet. At my local Wal-Mart there are still more DVD's for sale than Blu-Rays.

Oh, well. I read the first 4K mastered Blu-Rays may be released later this year which I suppose means buying a different Blu-Ray player as well plus we haven't even gotten to the horribly expensive 4K TV sets.

Makes one wonder if they should keep dumping money into the Blu-Ray format if a 4K Blu-Ray version is just around the corner.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:34 PM
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Most likely it will not be until somewhere around the year 2016 before consumers see a 4K optical format or Quad HD optical format. There is at least another 3 years before the 1080P Blu-ray format is challenged with a new and improved optical disc format. Right now low cost Blu-ray players can be purchased for $48 at Walmart and the first 4K or QUAD HD optical disc players will most likely cost between $1,000-$2,000+ when introduced in 2016-2018+.

There might even be a new format war with a holographic 500GB+ optical disc technology that offers 4K (Quad HD) that competes with a 4K (Quad HD) Blu-ray type format.

Native 480i DVD discs are still more popular with consumers compared to Blu-ray discs. Thatís one of the reasons many new releases contain a Blu-ray and DVD combo pack. If a new 4K DVD format was launched that contained a 480i DVD layer on the same disc, this would be very popular with consumers and retailers since the 4K DVD would play in any standard DVD player. Also the new 4K DVD players would have the option to downconvert to 1080P, 1080i, 720P, 480P, and 480i for older display technologies.
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:49 PM
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I upgrade from VHS to DVD and then upgrade to Blu-ray, so a this point i will not goin to upgrade to 4K-Blu-ray, and i think the 4K is no goin anywhere, the DVD haven't be defeat yet, the Blu-ray still struggle with the MSRP 39.99, how much will cost the 4K Blu-ray problably a MSRP of 59.99 the economy still in bad shape, unemployment still high, the global economic is in crisis, yup i think the 4K format will be in stagnation for many years it will not succeed problably until 2020, but if the Iran of North Korea wars breakout the oil prices goes up and the economic will plummeted again.
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:56 PM
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fuckin capitalist plannin ways to get our money!
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:59 PM
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They can think all they want, but no one really cares and won't for a very long time, if ever. A lot of the public is satisfied still with DVD, and Blu-ray has been a hard enough sell to the public.

The one and only reason that this is even such a "big" topic right now is because the industry has realized that their 3D hopes fizzled (they figured by now we would all have 3D TV's and be watching mostly 3-D content) and they are desperate to find a way to get people to replace their already working just fine equipment with newer, more expensive equipment like one used to upgrade a computer.

That's actually a great analogy - the PC market. The home electronics market is where the PC market was ten years ago. They had a period of unprecedented growth mostly because of a certain set of external circumstances (namely the Internet, and the higher end gaming market). People were upgrading computers every couple of years because the technology was advancing so rapidly, and they were also buying multiple computers for their homes. Then, there really was no need for most people to upgrade so often - people replace computers now when they break, not because they need new tech. And laptops started to take over, and now many people only have a laptop, supplemented by devices like smart phones or iPads (what I am writing on right now). Basically, demand dropped considerably once people got to a certain threshold of technology.

And now the home entrainment market has just been through a period of incredible growth - DVD brought a quality experience home for the first time and more average Joes started seeing the need for better equipment. And then the hardware manufacturers scored an amazing (and very temporary) extreme boost because of the government sponsored switchover pretty much forced everyone to buy a new TV.

Now that people are largely satisfied with what they have, and the fact that HDTVs seem to last a decent amount of time, most folks don't feel the need to buy a new one until it breaks. First it was 3D they tried to get everyone to keep their spending habits up for, and now it's 4K. What they need to understand is what I hear from people every day, in one paraphrase or another - "I'm happy with what I've got, they can let me know when we have holographic TV where I can sit at the kitchen table with The Golden Girls and feel like I'm there". So, basically, unilateral they invent a Holodeck (which those MS patents last year seemed to show was where they were going, at least with gaming), most people aren't going to be wooed with any new feature they come up with, because they simply don't care and are perfectly happy with what they already have.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:47 PM
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Format war! Format war! Format war!
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