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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmer View Post
    As I wrap up my evaluation period on the Epson 6040UB projectors, this is on the top of my To Do List -- the projector, while not true 4K, supports both HDR10/WCG as well as 3D (Rec709/SDR) and does a pretty great job at both. PAC RIM is next on my demo list so stay tuned.

    Have you experienced both in projection yet?
    Yes via Sony 4K 5000es on Stewart 200" 16x9 screen. And although I appreciate the benefits of HDR, I absolutely love the experience via 3D. Of course, 3D is HIGHLY affected by the quality and luminosity of your projector and given 5000 lumens, the 3D picture I experienced might be quite a bit better than most. Nevertheless, the sense of "scale & weight" of the objects in 3D is unparalleled even in 4K, imo.

    Will await your take on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakyguy666 View Post
    Yes via Sony 4K 5000es on Stewart 200" 16x9 screen. And although I appreciate the benefits of HDR, I absolutely love the experience via 3D. Of course, 3D is HIGHLY affected by the quality and luminosity of your projector and given 5000 lumens, the 3D picture I experienced might be quite a bit better than most. Nevertheless, the sense of "scale & weight" of the objects in 3D is unparalleled even in 4K, imo.

    Will await your take on this.
    Well, based on what I've seen thus far, I will say 3D-projection is far more effective and immersive than any TV I've ever owned (where the max size = 65"). Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakyguy666 View Post
    @Palmer have you watched the Bluray 3D version of this via projector? How would you compare the "experience" of the 4K HDR version versus "the experience" in 3D?

    Straight from del Toro: "For action, adventure and genre cinema, I'm now a converted fan of 3D. I asked [Legendary Pictures] for the complete control of the 3D. I asked them for forty weeks or so to get the 3D conversion -- it usually takes just eight to twelve weeks -- and they agreed. As I'm a complete control freak, we achieved a 3D conversion that I think people will be very happy with it. It's now my favorite format for the vision of this movie, but I don't think 3D is for every film. If you can watch Pacific Rim in 3D, make sure to watch it that way."
    I suspect this quote from Guillermo del Toro would be dated
    before 4K TVs and the UHD format became consumer items.
    I could be wrong.

    But I have a feeling that if del Toro has revised his preferences,
    and now prefers the 4K HDR UHD over the 3D blu-ray, that
    wouldn't change your mind.

    Which is fine. I enjoy 3D, too. It just seems you're using a
    quote that pre-dates UHD to argue against it. Del Toro (do I
    not capitalize the "del" at the beginning of sentences?) may
    have been only voicing his preference of 3D 1080p over 2D
    1080p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timcharger View Post
    I suspect this quote from Guillermo del Toro would be dated
    before 4K TVs and the UHD format became consumer items.
    I could be wrong.

    But I have a feeling that if del Toro has revised his preferences,
    and now prefers the 4K HDR UHD over the 3D blu-ray, that
    wouldn't change your mind.

    Which is fine. I enjoy 3D, too. It just seems you're using a
    quote that pre-dates UHD to argue against it. Del Toro (do I
    not capitalize the "del" at the beginning of sentences?) may
    have been only voicing his preference of 3D 1080p over 2D
    1080p.
    You're correct, Tim, that quote was prior to HDR, but as mentioned I was fortunate enough to view this in both HDR & 3D via a top tier projector and I could tell you that there were about a dozen of us and there wasn't a single person in that theater who preferred the HDR to the 3D. Still, I am interested in Palmer's opinion although based on his last comment it I bet he's more inclined to agree with del Toro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakyguy666 View Post
    You're correct, Tim, that quote was prior to HDR, but as mentioned I was fortunate enough to view this in both HDR & 3D via a top tier projector and I could tell you that there were about a dozen of us and there wasn't a single person in that theater who preferred the HDR to the 3D. Still, I am interested in Palmer's opinion although based on his last comment it I bet he's more inclined to agree with del Toro.
    Can't imagine how you got a dozen people to watch
    a film twice in 1080p 3D and in 4K HDR. Or went
    scene for scene, eye doctor style, is this better or is
    this better? Must have been really good pizza and
    beer that you offered at your home theater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timcharger View Post
    Can't imagine how you got a dozen people to watch
    a film twice in 1080p 3D and in 4K HDR. Or went
    scene for scene, eye doctor style, is this better or is
    this better? Must have been really good pizza and
    beer that you offered at your home theater.
    Not a chore at all...Great flick, good peeps, and an incredible home theater. And no one said we watched the entire film...but I'd say more than an hour of total running time on each version comparing scenes (total of 2 hours).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceames View Post
    What Palmer said. A projector, high end or not, is going to be better suited for 3D than for HDR. Especially when blown up on a 200" screen. Certainly not surprised at the result. If the same test were done on a 1000+ nit TV with good 3D (say the Sony 940C), or even on a 600+ nit OLED (watching the Dolby Vision version on VUDU of course, as it would clip the highlights on the HDR10 UHD disc, than I suspect most people would prefer the HDR version.
    I suspect for most people watching Pacific Rim bluray 3D on a well-lit 200" screen is hands down a more immersive experience than watching it in 2D Dolbyvision HDR on a 75" screen, 1000+ nits or not.
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    Just watched this at a buddies house on his new Atmos and LG 4K 65" display, looked freaking amazing, sound was amazing, this really sold me on 4K and HDR.....I so wish I could get a new TV right now

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    Tim, this is your last chance. Delete your last comment, move on, enjoy a different conversation, and have yourself a fine day... or the mods are gonna show you the door.

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    Warner’s Ultra HD Blu-ray release presents the film in 4K at the proper 1.85:1 theatrical aspect ratio, upscaled from the film’s original 2K Digital Intermediate. It’s worth noting that Pacific Rim was shot digitally using Red Epic Cameras. Given del Toro’s eye-candy color palette choices and the outstanding cinematography by Guillermo Navarro, the film is absolutely ideal for High Dynamic Range. It makes a huge difference. Frankly, the film didn’t look this good even in theaters. Shadows are incredibly deep and dark, yet retain texture. Bright highlights have real pop and sizzle. Virtually every frame bursts with vibrant, punchy color as well as more subtle, luminous hues. And the range of surface texturing is extraordinary – glossy metal, backlit and high-lit water, translucent and scratched helmet visors – all of it rendering lovely depth. Yet the image still retains an appropriately gritty and film-like appearance. This title really shows off the benefits of HDR in a big way.
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