Plasma Defense Coalition Calls For End To Misinformation

[Attebery]

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...formation/3601

[vinnie97]

“Further, the energy efficiency comparisons for these imaginary televisions are grossly exaggerated.”

Something diehard LCD proponents have always done.

[Mike171979]

They would have to pry my 1080p Panasonic Plasma with excellent black levels, infinite viewing angles, and a beautiful film like picture, FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.

But seriously though, the new plasmas are absolutely awesome, and when it is eventually time to replace my HDTV, I want to buy another Panny Plasma.

The new ones are freakin' sweet, the newest Panny V Series is 1" thick and blows the doors off of any LCD or previous plasma built, I gotta get me one of those

[SpeakNoSparky]

Just another example of the law and its creators, defenders and interpreters being way behind the curve in terms of technology. Too many lobbyists and vague patent holders have taken advantage of that...

[TheGreenDude]

Mike, the Z is 1". The V's are closer to 4". Not that it matters, I'm not Forrest Gump and I don't watch TV from the side.

[JBDragon]

I watch my Plasma from the side daily as that's where my computer is, off to the side. Before when I had my Rear Projection HDTV, I wasn't able to see the picture at all. You really had to be directly in front. In the same place NOW, way off to the side, I can see my Plasma screen at clear as if I was directly in front of it!!! To me it's a HUGE PLUS. I'm on my 24" 16x10 PC Monitor right now, but I'd never want to watch a MOVIE on it. Things look fake on it. The picture is not even close to my Plasma. When it's time to buy a new HDTV, I don't want a LCD, but another Panasonic Plasma!!!

[vinnie97]

The new ones are freakin' sweet, the newest Panny V Series is 1" thick and blows the doors off of any LCD or previous plasma built, I gotta get me one of those

Sorry, chief, but the Kuro is still PQ king. Better luck next year for Panasonic. Panasonic is nipping at its heels but not there quite yet.

[AV_Integrated]

I thought this was interesting...
http://www.energy.ca.gov/appliances/...Model_List.pdf

This was the ones which already meet the specification and down at the bottom is a list of quite a few plasmas which meet the spec.

Interestingly, the 50" Panasonic draws 210 watts while on while the 52" Samsung LCD draws 201. That's less than a 5% difference in power.

I'm not sure I'm against a standard to get standby power under control, and to ensure that TVs run efficiently, but I do believe that they goal should not be to blanket the coverage in favor of one technology over another. If LCD is globally more efficient, than CA would be steering the market that way unfairly, perhaps even illegally. Even if they say they are not doing so, it could - and possibly will - end up in court.

[cheez avenger]

I'll probably be buying a couple more Panasonic Plasma's.


I love them so.

[metalhead4]

THAT'S RIGHT PDC, TELL EM LIKE IT IS!

LCD televisions man haha, they are such a joke.

My signature says everything.

[bosskmr]

Friggin liberals...now they want our TVs.

[damonous]

I watch my Plasma from the side daily as that's where my computer is, off to the side. Before when I had my Rear Projection HDTV, I wasn't able to see the picture at all. You really had to be directly in front. In the same place NOW, way off to the side, I can see my Plasma screen at clear as if I was directly in front of it!!!....

Ok. Now: Open every window in the room, curtains pulled completely back. --Now what do you see? A bunch of glare, right? (Just like CRT TV's before them.)

I really feel Plasma is an inferior technology, and I always 'tune out' of any review that compares LCD to Plasma and then (as many do) go on talking about being able to see the 'screendoor effect' on LCD. Sorry: I have to be nearly on top of an LCD to see pixels, but scan lines are CLEARLY visible from even 3ft back on a Plasma.

Plus, when you see LCD's that have a trumped-up black (talking Samsung), it's usually because it's got a highly-reflective glass. So...is it that the Plasma tech is so much better, ...or is it just that the glass is better?

(A Question the magazines and review sites never seem to bother to ask.)

But, the same characteristic you praise for plasma (off-angle being able to see the picture) is true of LCD as well, just that colors are less-pronounced. But, unless you have one of the aforementioned (rare) models that have a reflective glass, it's hardly ever that you'll say, "I can't see the picture because of the light shinning on the screen!" --Not true of Plasma, and that HAS to account for something. If ambient light is being thrown back, just how deep is that perceived black level, anymore?

...Interestingly, the 50" Panasonic draws 210 watts while on while the 52" Samsung LCD draws 201. That's less than a 5% difference in power. ...

Now, in DEFENSE of Plasma and this crazy CA legal initiative, I don't know why Plasma is being singled-out, of all electronics technologies. Look at PC's: nowadays, any 'performance/gaming PC' is going to have AT LEAST a 400w power supply (if not 1000w). The early versions of PS3 and 360 were close to 200w each. Receivers are traditionally in the 400w+ range.

Why the hard-on for TV's, when either LCD or Plasma have to run at significantly less power-drain than the 32" - 36" tube TV's before them?

Something stanks here.

[CaptKain]

Have they improved Plasma's to be viewable in a bright sunny living room yet?
Thats the only con to Plasma for me. But if you have a light controlled room then yes, they are better with the blacks by far to HDTV.

[CaptKain]

Have they improved Plasma's to be viewable in a bright sunny living room yet?
Thats the only con to Plasma for me. But if you have a light controlled room then yes, they are better with the blacks by far to LCD.

[vinnie97]

I really feel Plasma is an inferior technology

Your feeling isn't enough to make it so. Have you not taken into account any of the shootouts where Plasma excels in all areas of PQ that matter most (contrast ratio, correct grayscale and color accuracy)? All together, these help provide the best film-like experience. Even in completely black rooms, the black level of the 9th Gen Kuro remains unbeatable.

The glare problem to which you allude is greatly exaggerated. Most serious viewing occurs in the evening hours (you know, most work during the day ), and most rooms possess at least some degree of control of the ambient lighting thanks to blinds. I had a Samsung LCD with a reflective screen in 2007 (with horrible black levels and viewing angles, I might add) and with little effort, irritating glare could be avoided. You cannot with a straight face claim the viewing angle benefit is the same for both technologies. The "scan line" problem to which you alluded is endemic to all Plasma tech to varying degrees and is appropriately called dithering. Who exactly watches their screen from 3 feet out? I can think of MANY more reasons to want to view one's television at an angle on a consistent basis as opposed to 3 feet out.

The bottom line is this: LCD has been trying to catch up ever since its inception and even with all the gimmicks, it still hasn't arrived.

Real-world results, far superior to "feelings:"

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10194935-1.html
http://www.valueelectronics.com/imag...0attendees.pdf (background on this event can be found here)

As someone who regularly lambasted HD DVD about its technical inferiority, I am somewhat surprised that you would take this stance. Then again, there is the contingent of Blu-ray compatriots that relied on emotion and group think rather than real-world results and simply ran with their "feelings."