Thread: Build Your Own HTiB $400-$800
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02-20-2009 08:01 PM #1
Build Your Own Blu-ray HTiB $400-$800
Building your own Home Theater in a Box $400-800 [update 5/30/2010]
This question always comes up. "I have $XXX and I want to build a decent Home Theater system." Or, I want to buy this cheap crappy HTiB, are there better options out there?
Below is wide range of inexpensive options for building you own system. I've done a bunch of work here to simply organize it in one place. I'm more than willing to expand the sections as they make sense. But the ultimate goal are the components to build a complete, upgradable, component-based Surround Sound system in the $400-800 range.
Why aren't you covering Blu-ray players extensively? There's no need to include all players at this price range. I've only included value-oriented players to keep value high, and price minimal.
SPEAKERS
- Higher-end speakers
- Separate Subs
- In-wall/In-Ceiling Speakers
RECEIVERS
- 2009 and older Receivers
- 2010 3D Capable Receivers
VALUE BLU-RAY PLAYERS
- Profile 1.1
- Profile 2.0
CABLES
- Speaker Wire
- Subwoofer
- HDMI Cables
PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER
- 5.1 Bargain Low
- 5.1 Bargain Mid
- 5.1 Bargain High
- 7.1 Bargain Low
- 7.1 Bargain Mid
- 7.1 Bargain High
Speakers Options ($121-$420)
Speakers at the low end of the spectrum are not high performance. The key part of all these systems below is that they work well with stand alone receivers and have a powered subs. They are a great building block for working up. I've included some name brand options but I think the direct stuff from Dayton (on the low side), The Speaker Company (tSc) in the middle, and Fluance (on the high side) blow them away. tSc & Fluance are worth every penny more you pay. They both sell an amazing set of speakers for the money. Definitely add a powered sub to the Fluance.
How about some inexpensive 7.1 surround options?- Yamaha 5.1 set w/sub, $121 shipped.
- Dayton Speakers from Parts Express 5.1 speakers with 8" powered sub. $169 shipped. 10" Sub version for $198. 12" Sub version for $233.
- NEW!Onkyo SKS-HT540 7.1 Channel Home Theater Speaker System w/Powered Sub for $192 shipped from Amazon.
- NEW!Jamo 5.1 set with 8" powered sub. $199.98 shipped.
- Polk Audio RM6750 $235 shipped
- Cambridge SoundWorks - Newton Series HT55 - $299 shipped
- NEW!Jamo Cherry wood 5.1 set featuring Bookshelf fronts and 8" powered sub. $399.98 shipped. Click on 'Bundles' Tab next to 'Buy New'
- NEW!Definitive Tech 5.1 system for $399.
- Energy Take Classic, 5.1 w/200w 8" Sub, $400 shipped
- Fluance 5.1 set, $278 + 10" Sub, $140 for $418 shipped
Want some better speakers and to spend more? Sure!- Dayton Speakers from Parts Express 5.1 speakers with 8" powered sub $169 plus Pair of Matching Surrounds for $37. Total $206 shipped. Upgrade to 10" or 12" subs, see links above.
- NEW!Onkyo SKS-HT540 7.1 - $224 Shipped
- NEW!Onkyo SKS-HT870 7.1 - $299 Shipped
AV123
Sub Options ($135-252)
Axiom Audio
NEW!Aperion Audio 5.1 systems from $999+
NEW!SVS The Sound Authority 5.1 systems from $1055+
NEW!Ascend Acoustics HTM 5.0 systems from $670+
NEW!HSU Research 5.1 systems from $543+
Here's a mix of subwoofers. Those Audiosource and Dayton subs blow away anything on the low-end from Polk & Yamaha, I think. I've included a couple of namebrand options here, but I can't really recommend them. I'd take the AudioSource PSW100 vs. The Polk or Yamaha. I'd take the Premier Audio PA-120 over anything under $500 with a name brand on it.
Want more Bass? $325+- Yamaha YST-SW216 10" 100W Subwoofer, $121 shipped
- Polk PSW10 10" 50 Watt Sub, $120 Shipped
- Audiosource PSW100 10" 100W Sub, $135 shipped
- Dayton 12" 150W Sub, $203 shipped
- Premier Acoustic PA-120 Subwoofer from ebay, $229 shipped
- Cambridge SoundWorks Newton II 10" 75W Subwoofer, $250 shipped
- Fluance DB150 10" 150W Subwoofer, $252 shipped
There's a number of direct manufacturers of Subs out there. Here's two well-respected brands with excellent low priced products.Try HSU Research or Elemental Designs ~$325 and up.
In-Wall/In-Ceiling Speaker Options
Monoprice has some great deals on in-wall and in-ceiling speakers. I've put together an in-wall and in-ceiling sample configuration below. I used a stand alone subwoofer with these because they are more reasonable than in-wall sub + decent stand-alone high-power amp.
5.1 In-Wall - $280
Purchase two pairs of the 6 1/2" speakers and use them for Left, Right, Surround Left, Surround Right. Add the center listed. To keep costs down, I suggest getting a regular subwoofer, like the 10" Dayton sub from Parts-Express.com. If you are looking for 7.1 sound just double the surrounds and takes you to $325.
5.1 In-Ceiling - $360- Front Left and Right: 6-1/2 Inches Kevlar 2-Way In-Wall Speakers (Pair) - 60W Nominal, 120W Max (Monoprice #4100) - $41.36/pair
- Center: 5-1/4 Inches Center Channel Micro-Flanged In-Wall Speaker - 8 Ohm (Monoprice #6317) - $43.98
- Surround Left and Right: 6-1/2 Inches Kevlar 2-Way In-Wall Speakers (Pair) - 60W Nominal, 120W Max (Monoprice #4100) - $41.36/pair
- Subwoofer: Dayton SUB-100 HT Series 10" 125 Watt Powered Subwoofer for $142 shipped.
Purchase the angled speakers for the fronts, they provide sound that comes from a wall-mounted display. It is possible to mix Left and Right in-ceiling with a in-wall Center if you want to avoid wasting the extra angled in-ceiling speaker. For the rears, you don't need the angeled speakers as surround sound is not as directional, and should be more diffuse. For 7.1 add additional pair of surrounds to take you to a cost of $410.
In-wall/In-Ceiling Accessories- Front Left and Right: 8 Inches Kevlar In-Ceiling Speakers (Pair) - w/ 15 Degree Angled Woofer (Monoprice #4929) - $79.92/pair
- Center: 8 Inches Kevlar In-Ceiling Speakers (Pair) - w/ 15 Degree Angled Woofer (Monoprice #4929) - $79.92/pair (just use 1 speaker from the pair)
- Surround Left and Right: 6-1/2 Inches Kevlar 2-Way In-Ceiling Speakers (Pair) - 60W Nominal, 120W Max. (Monoprice #4103) - $45.99/pair
- Subwoofer: Dayton SUB-100 HT Series 10" 125 Watt Powered Subwoofer for $142 shipped.
No matter what options you pick, I highly suggest using a nice 5.1 or 7.1 wall plate. I've included some sample in-wall speaker wire as well.
Receiver options $230-430- 2-Gang 5.1 Surround Sound Distribution Wall Plate (Monoprice #4012) - $11.04
- 3-Gang 7.1 Surround Sound Distribution Wall Plate (Monoprice #4013) - $17.60
- 16AWG CL2 Rated 2-Conductor Loud Speaker Cable - 250ft (For In-Wall Installation) (#2824) - $25.24
- 14AWG CL2 Rated 2-Conductor Loud Speaker Cable - 250ft (For In-Wall Installation) (#2821) - $39.59
The top end of this list is now $430. Every receiver below works with every Blu-ray player and the PS3. There are a great number of receiver options as you go up further in price. But these, I think, as of April 2010 represent most of the under $400 options. The Sony's often represent the best price but do not get much love in forums. Lines from Yamaha and Denon have two numbers for the same unit, often. Bargain shopping for Yamaha receivers is usually better with the HTR-XXXX series and with Denon receivers it's usually better with the 3-digit numbers.
In the past, I've included non-decoding receivers. The time to look for receivers that just take LPCM is past. Even the new PS3 will bitstream TrueHD and DTS-HD MA.
2009 and Older Receivers
These Home Theater AV Receivers (AVRs) are from 2009 mostly. These units all decode TrueHD and DTS-HD MA bitstream audio. There are many more options now this now lower price range than ever before.
2010 3D Capable Receivers- Sony STR-DH710 7.1-Channel Home Theater A/V Receiver (3in/1out) - $210 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Yamaha RX-V465/HTR-6240 5.1-Channel Digital Home Theater Receiver (4in/1out) - 6240 is $238 shipped from Amazon.com
- Onkyo TX-SR507 5.1-channel Home Theater Receiver [Refurb] (4in/1out) - $240 shipped from Accessories4Less.com
- Sony STRDH810 7.1 Channel High Definition A/V Receiver (4in/1out) - $280 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Yamaha RX-V565/HTR-6250 7.1-Channel Digital Home Theater Receiver(4in/1out) - $300 shipped from JR.com
- Samsung HW-C500 5.1-Channel Receiver (4in/1out) - $300 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Onkyo HT-RC160 7.2-channel Home Theater Receiver (low powered TX-SR607) [Refurb] (6in/1out) - $300 shipped from Acessories4Less.com
- Onkyo TX-SR607 7.2-channel Home Theater Receiver [Refurb] (6in/1out) - $320 shipped from Acessories4Less.com
- Sony STR-DN1000 7.1-Channel Audio Video Receiver (4in/1out) - $325 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Samsung HW-C700 7.2-Channel Receiver (4in/1out) - $350 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Denon AVR1610 5.1 CH A/V Home Theater Receiver - $380 shipped from JR.com
- Onkyo TX-SR607 7.2-Channel A/V Surround Home Theater Receiver - $398 shipped from Amazon.com
- Marantz NR1501 "Slimline" Dolby TrueHD / dts-HD Master Audio AV Receiver [Refurb] - $400 shipped from Accessories4Less.com
- Pioneer 7.1-Channel A/V Receiver VSX-1019AH-K - $430 shipped from NewEgg.com
These receivers are brand new, or actually not yet released. All of them have some support for HDMI 1.4, with marketing that they will support Blu-ray 3D video when it hits, or after a future firmware upgrade. They many only support dual 1080i video. There is nothing wrong with picking up an older receiver at this point.
Value Blu-ray Players Under $150- Pioneer VSX-520-K 5.1 Channel 3-D Ready A/V Receiver (3in/1out) - $200 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Onkyo 5.1-Channel Home Theater Receiver TX-SR308 (3in/1out) - $230 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Pioneer VSX-820-K 5.1 Channel 3-D Ready A/V Receiver (4in/1out) - $299 shipped from JR.com
- Yamaha RX-V467/HTR-4063 5.1-Channel Digital Home Theater Receiver [3D w/Firmware] (4in/1out) - $330 shipped from JR.com
- Onkyo 7.1-Channel Home Theater Receiver TX-SR508 (4in/1out) - $350 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Pioneer VSX-920-K 7.1 Channel 3-D Ready A/V Receiver (4in/1out) - $350 shipped from JR.com
- Onkyo 7.2-Channel Home Theater Receiver HT-RC260 - $400 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Yamaha 7.1-Channel Receiver RX-V567BL/HTR-5063 - $430 shipped from NewEgg.com
I've included what I think are quality Blu-ray players regularly available at or below $150. Since the purpose of these list is to create a value-priced, but high-quality and long lasting system, I've not included store-brand units like Insignia, Magnavox, etc.
Profile 1.1 Players
There's nothing wrong with a Profile 1.1 player, especially if you have no plans to hook the player up to the internet from your Home Theater.
Profile 2.0 Blu-ray Players- JVC XVBP11 Blu-ray Player for $110 shipped from 6ave.com
- LG Blu-ray Disc Player BD270 Blu-ray Player for $130 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Panasonic DMP-BD45 Ultra-Fast Booting Blu-Ray Disc Player for $130 from JR.com
- LG BD550 Blu-ray Disc Player for $150 shipped from Amazon
Many of these are last year's low-end units or big box version of those players. When they are gone, they are gone. The Pioneer BDP320 from JR.com is an incredible deal at $150 shipped.- Panasonic DMPBD601K Blu-ray Player (same as DMP-BD60) for $109 from JR.com
- Sony BDP-S360 Blu-Ray Disc Player for $129 from JR.com
- Toshiba Blu-ray Disc Player BDX2000 for $130 shipped from NewEgg.com
- Panasonic DMP-BD65 Ultra-Fast Booting Blu-Ray Disc Player for $143 from many sellers
- Pioneer BDP320 BD-Live Blu-ray Disc Player for $149 from JR.com
Cables
These are Product IDs from Monoprice.com:
Speaker Wire100' 16 guage (AWG) for under $20 from Monoprice (product ID# 2793) $12.84 + shipping
Heavy Subwoofer Cable RCA Male to RCA Male12' CL2 RG6/U 75ohm Subwoofer cable (product ID# 2682) - $4.86 + shipping
Inexpensive Subwoofer Cable
25' CL2 RG6/U 75ohm Subwoofer cable (product ID# 2683) - $7.40 + shipping12' CL2 RG59U 75ohm Subwoofer cable (product ID# 620) - $2.05 + shipping
Heavy High Guage HDMI
25' CL2 RG59U 75ohm Subwoofer cable (product ID# 621) - $3.52 + shipping
4' 24AWG CL2 Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 4965) $7.83 + shipping
Inexpensive Lower Guage HDMI
6' 24AWG CL2 Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 3661) $9.98 + shipping
4' 28AWG Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 4956) $3.20 + shipping
So what are some nice mixes of products? Here's some ideas --
6' 28AWG Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 3992) $3.56 + shipping
Putting it All Together, Complete Bundles
These are some complete bundles that show how to put together various options from above to make a complete Home Theater In A Box type kit for yourself. I tried to create various bundles at increasing price points that add significant value with each step up.
Low 5.1 Bargain Bundle $409
Here's a good starting point for getting into high def audio.- SPKRS: Dayton Speakers from Parts Express 5.1 speakers with 8"powered sub $169 shipped.
- RECVR: Sony STR-DH710 7.1-Channel Home Theater A/V Receiver (3in/1out) - $210 shipped from NewEgg.com
- CABLES: from Monoprice $30 Shipped
- Speaker Wire - 100' 16 guage (AWG) (product ID# 2793) $12.01
- Subwoofer Cable (Recv to Sub) 25' CL2 RG59U 75ohm Subwoofer cable (product ID# 621) $4.25
- HDMI (BR Player to Receiver) 4' 28AWG Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 4956) $3.68
- HDMI (Reciver to TV) 6' 28AWG Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 3992) $4.08
Make it a complete bundle with Blu-ray player for $518 total.- Panasonic DMPBD601K Blu-ray Player (same as DMP-BD60) for $109 from JR.com
Mid 5.1 Bargain Bundle $527
This steps up the receiver and add a large subwoofer for another $100 or so.- SPKRS: Dayton Speakers from Parts Express 5.1 speakers with 10"powered sub $198 shipped.
- RECVR: Pioneer VSX-820-K 5.1 Channel 3-D Ready A/V Receiver (4in/1out) - $299 shipped from JR.com
- CABLES: from Monoprice $30 Shipped
- Speaker Wire - 100' 16 guage (AWG) (product ID# 2793) $12.01
- Subwoofer Cable (Recv to Sub) 25' CL2 RG59U 75ohm Subwoofer cable (product ID# 621) $4.25
- HDMI (BR Player to Receiver) 4' 28AWG Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 4956) $3.68
- HDMI (Reciver to TV) 6' 28AWG Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 3992) $4.08
Make it a complete bundle with Blu-ray player for $636 total.- Panasonic DMPBD601K Blu-ray Player (same as DMP-BD60) for $109 from JR.com
High 5.1 Bargain Bundle $798
This represents a significant upgrade over the previous bundles in terms of speakers.- SPKRS: Fluance 5.1 set, $275 + 10" Sub, $140 for $418 shipped
- RECVR: Onkyo 7.1-Channel Home Theater Receiver TX-SR508 (4in/1out) - $350 shipped from NewEgg.com
- CABLES: from Monoprice $30 Shipped
- Speaker Wire - 100' 16 guage (AWG) (product ID# 2793) $12.01
- Subwoofer Cable (Recv to Sub) 25' CL2 RG59U 75ohm Subwoofer cable (product ID# 621) $4.25
- HDMI (BR Player to Receiver) 4' 28AWG Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 4956) $3.68
- HDMI (Reciver to TV) 6' 28AWG Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 3992) $4.08
Make it a complete bundle with Blu-ray player for $907 total.- Panasonic DMPBD601K Blu-ray Player (same as DMP-BD60) for $109 from JR.com
Low 7.1 Bargain Bundle $502
Very basic starting point for 7.1 configuration.- SPKRS: Onkyo SKS-HT540 7.1 Channel Home Theater Speaker System w/Powered Sub for $192 shipped from Amazon.
- RECVR: Sony STRDH810 7.1 Channel High Definition A/V Receiver (4in/1out) - $280 shipped from NewEgg.com
- CABLES: from Monoprice $32 Shipped
- Speaker Wire - 100' 16 guage (AWG) (product ID# 2793) $12.01
- Subwoofer Cable (Recv to Sub) 25' CL2 RG59U 75ohm Subwoofer cable (product ID# 621) $4.25
- HDMI (BR Player to Receiver) 4' 28AWG Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 4956) $3.68
- HDMI (Reciver to TV) 6' 28AWG Cat 2 HDMI 1.3a Cable (product ID# 3992) $4.08
Make it a complete bundle with Blu-ray player for $611 total.- Panasonic DMPBD601K Blu-ray Player (same as DMP-BD60) for $109 from JR.com
Mid 7.1 Bargain Bundle
Forthcoming
High 7.1 Bargain Bundle
Forthcoming
Note on Pricing and Links: Links and deals come and go. I appologize if any of the above links are dead. Prices are subject to significant drifting up and down on the net. Pricing tomorrow may be less or more.
Latest Update: 5/30/2010 - Updated Bundles.Last edited by comixguru; 06-06-2010 at 04:01 PM. Reason: Updated links, pricing, and bundles for 2010
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02-20-2009 08:10 PM #2
That's some good work. Perhaps a sticky? The "what should I buy" comes up a lot, and this would be a good list to point someone to. Granted, it will outdate itself rather quickly, but it's an excellent starting point for new people getting into HT.
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02-21-2009 02:35 PM #3
Thanks for the feedback.
I hope it gets outdated soon. It seems like this set of product has been around for about 6-9 months now with little change, other than price moves up and down on this stuff. he biggest news are the new Pioneer models of receiver. I hope there will be a new quality budget king in there to replace those weak Sony receivers.Display: Epson HC 6100 Proj/106" Da-Lite High Power screen or Panasonic 50" Plasma
Receiver & Speakers : Yamaha AVR HTR-5940 / Boston Acoustic LCR DSi495 & Rears DSi455 (In-Ceiling)
Sources: Toshiba HD-A3 (86 titles), Panasonic BD655AK (240 titles), Sage TV HD HTPC (8TB), Comcast w/crappy HD, SD-DVD ~950
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02-21-2009 03:29 PM #4
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Very nice work.
I'm going to refer to this post when I design my brother in law's theater. The only things I would like to see that aren't here are choices of projectors and screens. There are people who are worried about the leap to truly big screen Hi def as well. (I used to be one of them!).
Why not include the video as well as audio?My Theater:
Panasonic AE4000U Projector, 100" Elite Screen, Onkyo TX-SR606 Reciever, Klipsch Synergy F1 Towers, C1 Center speaker with B1 bookshelf Surrounds, 2 Boston Acoustics 12" Subs, 1 KLH 10" sub behind my chair (don't knock it till you try it!)
Sony PS3 60g, XBOX 360 Elite, Samsung BD-UP5000, Sony 400 disc BDP-CX960 Blu-Ray changer -
02-21-2009 08:29 PM #5
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Hi
This list is perfect for people like me. I have "X" amount of dollars to spend and looking for the most bang for the buck. I'd like to get your thoughts on my situation. I was in Circuit City tonight because I'm looking to upgrade my receiver also. They had the Onkyo 706 for $480 and the 606 for $299. I'm leaning toward 706. Is this a better choice? -
02-21-2009 08:58 PM #6
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My Theater:
Panasonic AE4000U Projector, 100" Elite Screen, Onkyo TX-SR606 Reciever, Klipsch Synergy F1 Towers, C1 Center speaker with B1 bookshelf Surrounds, 2 Boston Acoustics 12" Subs, 1 KLH 10" sub behind my chair (don't knock it till you try it!)
Sony PS3 60g, XBOX 360 Elite, Samsung BD-UP5000, Sony 400 disc BDP-CX960 Blu-Ray changer -
02-21-2009 09:58 PM #7It doesn't hurt the ego....but it doesn't do much else anymore..It doesn't hurt to have that THX logo.
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02-21-2009 10:23 PM #8
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Yeah, good post comix. I've vote sticky too.
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02-21-2009 10:35 PM #9
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Panasonic TC-P50G25
Algolith Flea
DVDO Edge
Toshiba A35 & Onkyo 805
Denon 1610 & Pioneer 51fd
Denon 1909 & Pioneer 1120 AVR's
Elemental Designs 7.1
HTPC
"Best" version of BD's with multiple releases -
02-21-2009 10:53 PM #10
Nothing by Onkyo listed? I'm shocked.
Samsung LN46A650A1F Yamaha RX-V1900
Klipsch RF-52 Fronts, RC-52 Center, RS-42 Surrounds, and RSW-10D Subwoofer
: 80 Gig with Dualshock 3
: 172 titles (no more coming by mail)
Most recent purchase[s]: Too many to type. One of those weeks, lol.
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02-22-2009 12:33 AM #11
They may be discontinued but I would add the Polk monitor series to the list... I got my fronts for $99 each (monitor 50's) and the center (CS1) for $79... Best money I ever spent, the upgrade was simply astounding.
Toshiba 55" 55HT1U LCD (1080p@24fps) w/Tivo HD, Harmony 880
HDM Players: Toshiba HD-A30, Samsung BD-P2500 (wow! reon!)
Onkyo TX-605SR, F Polk Monitor 50s bi-amped, C CS1, Yamaha sur & sub
X-Box 360, Wii, DreamCast, DS
HDM Count - Hopless
Wii: 0774-4826-1902, Disney: Guest13971, WB: crazzeto Uni: Locutus4657 Sony: crazzeto
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02-22-2009 12:46 AM #12Display: Epson HC 6100 Proj/106" Da-Lite High Power screen or Panasonic 50" Plasma
Receiver & Speakers : Yamaha AVR HTR-5940 / Boston Acoustic LCR DSi495 & Rears DSi455 (In-Ceiling)
Sources: Toshiba HD-A3 (86 titles), Panasonic BD655AK (240 titles), Sage TV HD HTPC (8TB), Comcast w/crappy HD, SD-DVD ~950
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02-22-2009 12:50 AM #13Display: Epson HC 6100 Proj/106" Da-Lite High Power screen or Panasonic 50" Plasma
Receiver & Speakers : Yamaha AVR HTR-5940 / Boston Acoustic LCR DSi495 & Rears DSi455 (In-Ceiling)
Sources: Toshiba HD-A3 (86 titles), Panasonic BD655AK (240 titles), Sage TV HD HTPC (8TB), Comcast w/crappy HD, SD-DVD ~950
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02-22-2009 03:29 AM #14Display 1: 37" Olevia LCD
Display 2: Planar PD7060 720P Projector @ 92"
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V663
Fronts: Paradigm Monitor 11's
Center: Paradigm CC-390
Rears: Paradigm Mini Monitors
Samsung BD-UP5000
Toshiba HD-A35 x2, Xbox 360 Add On x 3, Toshiba SD-H802A(???)
(Elite) x3, Nintendo Wii,
(320GB BC)
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02-23-2009 02:21 PM #15
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Seriously Sticky FTW This is a wonderful guide, enjoy the ego boost man, you deserve it.



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