02-16-2009 10:54 AM #31
The biggest issue with the cartoonish nature of FI is that it first removes the blur from the original frames. If you watch a new set with FI, you will see that the background seems to be very stationary while objects move in front of it. When you try to think about why it looks so '3D' the answer is because it actually looks like a viewmaster, or one of the old cartoons from Hanna-Barbara. You have still life objects being placed one on top of the other, and there is no blurring at all.
The problem is, our eyes EXPECT to see blur. Everything we see with any depth is always blurred around the edges. One things blurs into the next, and as things move, their edges are blurred constantly.
When a motion algorythm is applied to film, and the blurring is removed, you end up with something that looks like it was shot at 1/1000th of a second onto a digital camera. Then 1/120th of a second later, you get another frame that was shot at 1/1000th of a second.
This is the issue at it's core - they remove the blur, which is the natural result of objects moving, and what you end up with looks more like stop motion than film or even video.
Cartoonish is the general response to this look, but companies like Pixar go to great lengths to ensure that any character that is in motion carries motion blur with it. Video games these days incorporate motion blur to make objects appear far more natural.
Then, along come these 120hz TVs to mess it all up by getting rid of that blur and enhancing the edges.
02-16-2009 11:00 AM #32Banned
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02-16-2009 11:45 AM #33
02-16-2009 05:40 PM #34Member
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"However, Frame Interpolation has the nasty side effect of making film-based content look like it was shot on video."
And other negative FI posts...
I have to say, I have a Toshiba 42z3030 which has an anti-judder setting, and I have it on all the time.
The scene that i use to test it is on the Planet Earth blu-ray, 1st episode, there's a long panning shot. If I have the tv set to "Off", the pan is proper juddery, which I guess is 3:2. "Standard" setting is a smoother judder, if that makes sense - there's judder, but it's even. This is 24fps using 5:5, and if that's what you like, who am I to tell you otherwise? The setting I use is "Smooth", and the same panning scene looks as it should do - nice and smooth. That'll do for me! Of course, it's not perfect - it still struggles with vertical lines ie. door frames, windows etc etc. The juddery nature of a crap 24fps source cannot be completely vanquished - why don't they film at 60fps or something?! Then everything would be nice and smooth! But... I can't believe anyone would watch a film NOT in this setting?! Why would you want judder vision? It's so distracting! And I don't understand the comment that smoothing it out makes it look like video?!... It looks very much like quality HD to me, much better than any dvd, and waaayyyy better than any vhs video.
Anyway... If you like your judder, as I said before, who am I to tell you otherwise?!
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02-16-2009 09:36 PM #41
The entire series--spanning nearly 2,000 shoot days--was captured in 720p, 1080i and 1080p--as well as a few sequences on HD-friendly 35mm film. Discovery HD will air the series in 1080i. Dolby 5.1 Surround Sound also will be featured, although much of the audio was laid in later (along with narration by actress Sigourney Weaver)--especially footage obtained from the heligimbal, which was too far away from its prey to record pertinent audio (which, in turn, would have been drowned out by aircraft engines).
HDD's review says 1080i AVC for the encode. Is that not correct?
02-17-2009 12:11 PM #42
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02-17-2009 05:55 PM #44
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There should will be no loss in quality doing so.
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