Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate - High-Def Digest Forums

HDTV1080P · #1 11-13-2007, 11:06 PM

**Current in production 1080P/24 Front Projectors and Plasma Displays (List 1 of 4)**

Here is a updated list of current in production HDTV displays that accepts a 1080P/24 signal for those that are interested in that feature to completely avoid any 3:2 pulldown problems. Feel free to add to the link as this would be useful information for some people. If you see any errors feel free to comment. The data comes from verification from manufactories manuals,websites,magazines and other sources.
Note: only displays that have a 48Hz, 72Hz, 96Hz, 120Hz, and higher refresh rates with 1080P/24 input support are included on this list. Displays that are 720P and accept a 1080P/24 input are not included on this list. Displays that are only 60Hz refresh rate and displays that incorrectly display 1080P/24 are not on the list. Displays that use a 3:2 pulldown process when a 1080P/24 signal is applied are also not included on the list.

** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. From time to time as more information is learned about a display it can end up being removed or added to the list.

The following are all true 1920 X 1080P native Displays

Front Projectors

Plasma (flat panel)

Panasonic TH-65VX100U (48HZ Plasma, "pseudo 96Hz" to minimize flicker)

Panasonic TH-50VX100U (48HZ Plasma, "pseudo 96Hz" to minimize flicker)

Panasonic TC-P50V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free)

Panasonic TC-P54V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free)

Panasonic TC-P58V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free)

Panasonic TC-P65V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free)

Panasonic TC-P42G10 (48HZ Plasma)(flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TC-P46G10 (48HZ Plasma)(flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TC-P50G10 (48HZ Plasma)(flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TC-P54G10 (48HZ Plasma)(flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

HDTV1080P · #2 11-13-2007, 11:06 PM

**Current in production 1080P/24 LCD flat panel Displays with LED backlighting (List 2 of 4)**

Here is a updated list of current in production HDTV displays that accepts a 1080P/24 signal for those that are interested in that feature to completely avoid any 3:2 pulldown problems. Feel free to add to the link as this would be useful information for some people. If you see any errors feel free to comment. The data comes from verification from manufactories manuals,websites,magazines and other sources.
Note: only displays that have a 48Hz, 72Hz, 96Hz, 120Hz, and higher refresh rates with 1080P/24 input support are included on this list. Displays that are 720P and accept a 1080P/24 input are not included on this list. Displays that are only 60Hz refresh rate and displays that incorrectly display 1080P/24 are not on the list. Displays that use a 3:2 pulldown process when a 1080P/24 signal is applied are also not included on the list.

** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. From time to time as more information is learned about a display it can end up being removed or added to the list.

The following are all true 1920 X 1080P native Displays

Important Note: Historically so far LCD's with Local Dimming LED backlighting have a better picture quality when compared to LCD's with Edge-lit LED backlighting.

LCD with Local Dimming LED backlighting (flat panel)

LG 42LH90 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on) (60HZ sources refreshed at 240HZ)

LG 47LH90 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on) (60HZ sources refreshed at 240HZ)

LG 55LH90 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on) (60HZ sources refreshed at 240HZ)

Samsung LN-46A950 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-55A950 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

SHARP LC-65XS1U-S (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources refreshed at 120HZ

SHARP LC-52XS1U-S (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources refreshed at 120HZ

Sony KDL-55XBR8 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

Sony KDL-46XBR8 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

Toshiba 46SV670U (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Film stabilization is set to standard mode)

Toshiba 55SV670U (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Film stabilization is set to standard mode)

LCD with Edge-lit LED backlighting (flat panel)

Samsung UN32B6000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN40B6000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN46B6000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN55B6000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN40B7000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN46B7000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN55B7000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN46B7100 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN55B7100 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Sony KVL-40ZX1M (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

HDTV1080P · #3 11-13-2007, 11:07 PM

**Current in production 1080P/24 LCD flat panel Displays (List 3 of 4)**

** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. From time to time as more information is learned about a display it can end up being removed or added to the list.

The following are all true 1920 X 1080P native Displays

Standard LCD (flat panel)

HDTV1080P · #4 11-13-2007, 11:34 PM

**Discontinued 1080P/24 Displays (List 4 of 4)**

Discontinued displays that properly refresh 1080P/24 source material (Only displays that bypass the 3:2 pulldown process are included on the list)

** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. From time to time as more information is learned about a display it can end up being removed or added to the list.

The following are all true 1920 X 1080P native Displays

Front Projectors

Marantz VP-11S1BL DLP Front Projector (48HZ with latest firmware update)

Mitsubishi HC5000 1080P LCD Front Projector (Projection Picture Size: 50" to 300" measured diagonally) (48Hz)

PANASONIC PT-AE1000U LCD Front projector (96 Hz)

Pioneer PRO-FPJ1 LCOS Front Projector (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ

Sony SXRD 1080P Front Projector VPL-VW40 (Projection Picture Size: 40" to 300" measured diagonally) (96Hz)

Sony SXRD 1080P Front Projector VPL-VW50 (Projection Picture Size: 40" to 300" measured diagonally) (96Hz)

Rear Projectors

NuVision 52LEDLP (No Color Wheel, no rainbows,3 LEDS, power 100-240V 50/60HZ ) 72HZ

Sony KDS-60A3000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

Sony KDS-55A3000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

Sony KDS-50A3000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

Plasma (flat panel)

Hitachi P50X902 (48HZ Plasma)

Hitachi P50V702 (48HZ Plasma)

Hitachi P50S602 (48HZ Plasma)

Panasonic TH-58PZ800U (48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TH-50PZ800U (48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TH-65PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TH-58PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TH-50PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TH-46PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

LCD with Local Dimming LED backlighting (flat panel)

LG 47LG90 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LCD (flat panel)

LG 42LGX (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 47LGX (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 52LG60 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 47LG60 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 42LG60 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 37LG60 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 52LG70 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

HDTV1080P · #5 11-14-2007, 01:03 AM

Reference link to displays on the list

Originally I created this list on other forums; hopefully this list will be helpful for those looking to purchase a new display that refreshes 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame. The following is a link that documents why these displays are on the list and why others are not
http://forum.hd-dvd.com/showthread.php?t=1370

mrkiller · #6 11-14-2007, 01:19 AM

wow! good job! my Tv doesnt support 1080p/24 and i do get some motion blur which sucks

TheGreenDude · #7 11-14-2007, 10:00 AM

Doesn't the latest Samsung DLP also support 120 Hz?

HDTV1080P · #8 11-14-2007, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreenDude

Doesn't the latest Samsung DLP also support 120 Hz?

I am waiting for a review of the Samsung 120HZ displays to see if they do a true 5:5 pull down on 24fps material. I know that the Toshiba and Mitsubishi remains off the list since it uses 3:2 pulldown with 24 fps material then it converts 60HZ to 120HZ. So far only the Sony brands use true 5:5 pulldown as far as I am aware.

HDTV1080P · #9 11-14-2007, 12:24 PM

This new review proves that Mitsubishi is using a 3:2 pulldown technique when converting 1080P/24 material to 60HZ. Then it converts 60HZ to 120HZ. The Mitsubishi remains off the list since it does not bypass the 3:2 pulldown process for 24fps sources.

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“ The set will also accept and display a 1080p/24 source, such ad Blu-ray or HD DVD. However, rather than the optimum technique of upconverting 1080p/24 to 1080p/120 directly, to match the native 120Hz frame rate of the set, 1080p/24 inputs are first converted to 1080p/60 by adding 3/2 pulldown. The set then handles the signal as it would any 1080p/60 input by frame-doubling it to1080p/120.”
http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/1107mits46144/

HDTV1080P · #10 11-14-2007, 12:45 PM

Example of a 120HZ display that does not use 5:5 pulldown (120HZ) or 4:4 pulldown (96HZ) for 1080P/24 material. This Toshiba will not be added to the list.
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“Curiously, ClearFrame also had the negative effect of introducing slight flickering noise in areas of fine detail during camera pans — such as the Vatican wall scene from Mission: Impossible III or a moving crane shot over trees in the church-fair sequence from Hot Fuzz. Toshiba confirmed that, with ClearFrame switched on, the TV performs frame interpolation even when fed a 1080p/24 signal. That's counter to displaying each frame multiple times — a simpler technique that some other TVs apply. So ClearFrame processing was the likely culprit here.”
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2474/toshiba-regza-cinema-series-52lx177-52-inch-lcd-hdtv-page3.html

HDTV1080P · #11 11-14-2007, 12:49 PM

More documented evidence why some Sony displays are on the list and why currently no Toshiba displays are on the list.

According to page 39 of the winter 2008 Perfect Vision magazine the Sony KDL-40XBR4 refreshes 1080P/24 material at 120HZ. According to page 42 of the winter 2008 Perfect Vision magazine the Toshiba 46LX177 also displays 1080P/24 material at 120HZ but the Perfect Vision magazine has made it clear in the specification section on page 42 that the Toshiba uses a 3:2 pulldown process in which 1080P/24 material is converted to 60HZ first before being converted to 120HZ. Using a 3:2 pulldown process with 1080P/24 has no benefit when it comes to reducing judder,etc. Since Toshiba has chosen to use the 3:2 pulldown process instead of a 5:5 pulldown process this is why the Toshiba displays are not included on the list along with many other companies that have choosen to not use multiplies of the original frame when displaying 1080P/24 material. No displays that use 3:2 pulldown when a 1080P/24 signal is applied are included on the list.

HDTV1080P · #12 11-14-2007, 12:58 PM

Documented reference that shows the Sony’s use a true 5:5 pulldown and bypass the 3:2 pulldown process with 1080P/24 material when Motion Enhancer is turned off

http://forum.hd-dvd.com/showpost.php?p=5581&postcount=37

Arkadin · #13 11-14-2007, 04:17 PM

interesting post hdtv. are you planning on coming here often? We can always use some more expertise for sure in the home theater forum. My knowledge is pretty limited, but I've been slowly learning.

glocks out · #14 11-14-2007, 06:27 PM

So Home Theater magazine reviewed four of the new top-end LCDs from Toshiba, Sony, Samsung and Philips at 1080p with 120Hz. Here's what one reviewer said:

Quote:

... I have to pick something ... so, begrudgingly, I'd pick the Toshiba, although in reality, I wouldn't pick any of them.

HDTV1080P · #15 11-14-2007, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkadin

interesting post hdtv. are you planning on coming here often? We can always use some more expertise for sure in the home theater forum. My knowledge is pretty limited, but I've been slowly learning.

Thanks. Yes this website and forum is nice and I plan on coming here more often.

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