Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate - High-Def Digest Forums

HDTV1080P · #1 11-14-2007, 12:06 AM

**Current in production 1080P/24 Front Projectors and Plasma Displays (List 1 of 5)**

Here is a updated list of current in production HDTV displays that accepts a 1080P/24 signal for those that are interested in that feature to completely avoid any 3:2 pulldown problems. Feel free to add to the link as this would be useful information for some people. If you see any errors feel free to comment. The data comes from verification from manufactories manuals,websites,magazines and other sources.
Note: only displays that have a 48Hz, 72Hz, 96Hz, 120Hz, and higher refresh rates with 1080P/24 input support are included on this list. Displays that are 720P and accept a 1080P/24 input are not included on this list. Displays that are only 60Hz refresh rate and displays that incorrectly display 1080P/24 are not on the list. Displays that use a 3:2 pulldown process when a 1080P/24 signal is applied are also not included on the list.

** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. From time to time as more information is learned about a display it can end up being removed or added to the list.

The following are all true 1920 X 1080P native Displays

Front Projectors

Plasma (flat panel)

LG 60PS80 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 48HZ when Flim Mode is turned on)

LG 50PS80 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 48HZ when Flim Mode is turned on)

LG 60PS60 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 48HZ when Flim Mode is turned on)

LG 50PS60 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 48HZ when Flim Mode is turned on)

Panasonic TH-65VX100U (48HZ Plasma, "pseudo 96Hz" to minimize flicker)

Panasonic TH-50VX100U (48HZ Plasma, "pseudo 96Hz" to minimize flicker)

Panasonic TC-P50V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free)

Panasonic TC-P54V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free)

Panasonic TC-P58V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free)

Panasonic TC-P65V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free)

Panasonic TC-P42G10 (48HZ Plasma)(flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TC-P46G10 (48HZ Plasma)(flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TC-P50G10 (48HZ Plasma)(flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TC-P54G10 (48HZ Plasma)(flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Samsung PN50B860 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Cinema Smooth option is turned on)

Samsung PN58B860 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Cinema Smooth option is turned on)

Samsung PN50B650 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Cinema Smooth option is turned on)(glitch)

Samsung PN58B650 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Cinema Smooth option is turned on)(glitch)

Samsung PN63B590 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Cinema Smooth option is turned on)

Samsung PN50B560 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Cinema Smooth option is turned on)

Samsung PN58B560 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Cinema Smooth option is turned on)

HDTV1080P · #2 11-14-2007, 12:06 AM

**Current in production 1080P/24 LCD flat panel Displays with LED backlighting (List 2 of 5)**

Here is a updated list of current in production HDTV displays that accepts a 1080P/24 signal for those that are interested in that feature to completely avoid any 3:2 pulldown problems. Feel free to add to the link as this would be useful information for some people. If you see any errors feel free to comment. The data comes from verification from manufactories manuals,websites,magazines and other sources.
Note: only displays that have a 48Hz, 72Hz, 96Hz, 120Hz, and higher refresh rates with 1080P/24 input support are included on this list. Displays that are 720P and accept a 1080P/24 input are not included on this list. Displays that are only 60Hz refresh rate and displays that incorrectly display 1080P/24 are not on the list. Displays that use a 3:2 pulldown process when a 1080P/24 signal is applied are also not included on the list.

** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. From time to time as more information is learned about a display it can end up being removed or added to the list.

The following are all true 1920 X 1080P native Displays

Important Note: Historically so far LCD's with Local Dimming LED backlighting have a better picture quality when compared to LCD's with Edge-lit LED backlighting.

LCD with Local Dimming LED backlighting (flat panel)

LG 42LH90 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on) (60HZ sources refreshed at 240HZ)

LG 47LH90 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on) (60HZ sources refreshed at 240HZ)

LG 55LH90 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on) (60HZ sources refreshed at 240HZ)

LG 55LHX (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on) (60HZ sources refreshed at 240HZ)

Samsung UN46B8500 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 240HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN55B8500 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 240HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Sony KDL-55XBR8 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

Sony KDL-46XBR8 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

Toshiba 46SV670U (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when ClearScan is turned off)

Toshiba 55SV670U (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when ClearScan is turned off)

LCD with LED backlighting (without Local Dimming) (flat panel)

SHARP LC-32LE700UN (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources refreshed at 120HZ

SHARP LC-40LE700UN (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources refreshed at 120HZ

SHARP LC-46LE700UN (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources refreshed at 120HZ

SHARP LC-52LE700UN (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources refreshed at 120HZ

LCD with Edge-lit LED backlighting (flat panel)

LG 42SL90 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 47SL90 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

Samsung UN32B6000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN40B6000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN46B6000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN55B6000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN40B7000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN46B7000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN55B7000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN46B7100 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN55B7100 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN46B8000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 240HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung UN55B8000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 240HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Sony KVL-40ZX1M (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

HDTV1080P · #3 11-14-2007, 12:07 AM

**Current in production LCD flat panel (List 3 of 5)**

Standard LCD (flat panel)

HDTV1080P · #4 11-14-2007, 12:34 AM

**Discontinued 1080P/24 Displays (List 4 of 5)**

Discontinued displays that properly refresh 1080P/24 source material (Only displays that bypass the 3:2 pulldown process are included on the list)

** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. From time to time as more information is learned about a display it can end up being removed or added to the list.

The following are all true 1920 X 1080P native Displays

Front Projectors

JVC DLA-HD1 LCOS Front Projector (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ

JVC DLA-RS1 LCOS Front Projector (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ

JVC DLA-HD100 LCOS Front Projector (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ

JVC DLA-RS2 LCOS Front Projector (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ

Marantz VP-11S1BL DLP Front Projector (48HZ with latest firmware update)

Mitsubishi HC5000 1080P LCD Front Projector (Projection Picture Size: 50" to 300" measured diagonally) (48Hz)

Mitsubishi HC5500 1080P LCD Front Projector (48HZ)

Mitsubishi HC6000 1080P LCD Front Projector (48HZ)

Optoma HD81 Single Chip DLP front projector (48 Hz) (Works with PS3 and BDP-S300 only)

Optoma HD81-LV Single Chip DLP front projector (48 Hz) (Works with PS3 and BDP-S300 only)

PANASONIC PT-AE1000U LCD Front projector (96 Hz)

PANASONIC PT-AE2000U LCD Front projector (96HZ)

Pioneer PRO-FPJ1 LCOS Front Projector (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ

Sony SXRD 1080P Front Projector VPL-HW10 (Projection Picture Size: 40" to 200" measured diagonally) (96Hz)

Sony SXRD 1080P Front Projector VPL-VW40 (Projection Picture Size: 40" to 300" measured diagonally) (96Hz)

Sony SXRD 1080P Front Projector VPL-VW50 (Projection Picture Size: 40" to 300" measured diagonally) (96Hz)

Rear Projectors

NuVision 52LEDLP (No Color Wheel, no rainbows,3 LEDS, power 100-240V 50/60HZ ) 72HZ

Sony KDS-60A3000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

Sony KDS-55A3000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

Sony KDS-50A3000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 96HZ when Motion Enhancer is turned off)

Plasma (flat panel)

Hitachi P50X902 (48HZ Plasma)

Hitachi P50V702 (48HZ Plasma)

Hitachi P50S602 (48HZ Plasma)

Panasonic TH-58PZ800U (48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TH-50PZ800U (48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TH-65PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TH-58PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TH-50PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

Panasonic TH-46PZ850U(48HZ Plasma) (flicker at 48Hz, click link for more details)

LCD with Local Dimming LED backlighting (flat panel)

LG 47LG90 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

Samsung LN-46A950 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

Samsung LN-55A950 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)

SHARP LC-65XS1U-S (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources refreshed at 120HZ

SHARP LC-52XS1U-S (96Hz refresh rate for 1080P/24) 60HZ sources refreshed at 120HZ

HDTV1080P · #5 11-14-2007, 02:03 AM

**Discontinued 1080P/24 LCD flat panel Displays (List 5 of 5)**

Discontinued LCD flat panel displays that properly refresh 1080P/24 source material (Only displays that bypass the 3:2 pulldown process are included on the list)

** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. From time to time as more information is learned about a display it can end up being removed or added to the list.

The following are all true 1920 X 1080P native Displays

Standard LCD (flat panel)

LG 42LGX (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 47LGX (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 37LG60 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 42LG60 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 47LG60 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 52LG60 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

LG 42LG70 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)

HDTV1080P · #6 11-14-2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreenDude

Doesn't the latest Samsung DLP also support 120 Hz?

I am waiting for a review of the Samsung 120HZ displays to see if they do a true 5:5 pull down on 24fps material. I know that the Toshiba and Mitsubishi remains off the list since it uses 3:2 pulldown with 24 fps material then it converts 60HZ to 120HZ. So far only the Sony brands use true 5:5 pulldown as far as I am aware.

HDTV1080P · #7 11-14-2007, 01:24 PM

This new review proves that Mitsubishi is using a 3:2 pulldown technique when converting 1080P/24 material to 60HZ. Then it converts 60HZ to 120HZ. The Mitsubishi remains off the list since it does not bypass the 3:2 pulldown process for 24fps sources.

Quote
“ The set will also accept and display a 1080p/24 source, such ad Blu-ray or HD DVD. However, rather than the optimum technique of upconverting 1080p/24 to 1080p/120 directly, to match the native 120Hz frame rate of the set, 1080p/24 inputs are first converted to 1080p/60 by adding 3/2 pulldown. The set then handles the signal as it would any 1080p/60 input by frame-doubling it to1080p/120.”
http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/1107mits46144/

HDTV1080P · #8 11-14-2007, 01:45 PM

Example of a 120HZ display that does not use 5:5 pulldown (120HZ) or 4:4 pulldown (96HZ) for 1080P/24 material. This Toshiba will not be added to the list.
Quote
“Curiously, ClearFrame also had the negative effect of introducing slight flickering noise in areas of fine detail during camera pans — such as the Vatican wall scene from Mission: Impossible III or a moving crane shot over trees in the church-fair sequence from Hot Fuzz. Toshiba confirmed that, with ClearFrame switched on, the TV performs frame interpolation even when fed a 1080p/24 signal. That's counter to displaying each frame multiple times — a simpler technique that some other TVs apply. So ClearFrame processing was the likely culprit here.”
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2474/toshiba-regza-cinema-series-52lx177-52-inch-lcd-hdtv-page3.html

HDTV1080P · #9 11-14-2007, 01:49 PM

More documented evidence why some Sony displays are on the list and why currently no Toshiba displays are on the list.

According to page 39 of the winter 2008 Perfect Vision magazine the Sony KDL-40XBR4 refreshes 1080P/24 material at 120HZ. According to page 42 of the winter 2008 Perfect Vision magazine the Toshiba 46LX177 also displays 1080P/24 material at 120HZ but the Perfect Vision magazine has made it clear in the specification section on page 42 that the Toshiba uses a 3:2 pulldown process in which 1080P/24 material is converted to 60HZ first before being converted to 120HZ. Using a 3:2 pulldown process with 1080P/24 has no benefit when it comes to reducing judder,etc. Since Toshiba has chosen to use the 3:2 pulldown process instead of a 5:5 pulldown process this is why the Toshiba displays are not included on the list along with many other companies that have choosen to not use multiplies of the original frame when displaying 1080P/24 material. No displays that use 3:2 pulldown when a 1080P/24 signal is applied are included on the list.

HDTV1080P · #10 11-14-2007, 01:58 PM

Documented reference that shows the Sony’s use a true 5:5 pulldown and bypass the 3:2 pulldown process with 1080P/24 material when Motion Enhancer is turned off

http://forum.hd-dvd.com/showpost.php?p=5581&postcount=37

HDTV1080P · #11 11-14-2007, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkadin

interesting post hdtv. are you planning on coming here often? We can always use some more expertise for sure in the home theater forum. My knowledge is pretty limited, but I've been slowly learning.

Thanks. Yes this website and forum is nice and I plan on coming here more often.

HDTV1080P · #12 11-22-2007, 02:48 PM

Optoma HD8000 1080P Single Chip DLP Front Projector added to the list

The Optoma HD8000 1080P DLP front projector will refresh 1080P/24 material at 48HZ.

Quote
“The manual mentions a 48Hz control to display 1080p/24fps inputs at a 48Hz refresh rate, but that control has been omitted. Instead, the projector automatically recognizes when it receives a 24Hz input and frame doubles it to 48Hz with no user action required.”
http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/1107opt8000/index.html

HDTV1080P · #13 11-22-2007, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceNine

The Mitsubihi Diamond Series DLP sets support 1080p/24 and multiples.

http://www.hdtv-news.co.uk/2007/10/1...33-television/

"But fret not, the Mitsubishi Diamond 833 Series offers 120Hz. 120Hz image processing shows 120 frames per second, allowing these TVs to reproduce unconverted, evenly extrapolated 24 fps movie, 30 fps television, and 60 fps special effects programming, without the stutter and other clutter of 3:2 pulldown."

Perhaps the UK models of Mitsubishi displays correctly refresh 1080P/24 material. This list is made up of US models only since I have not researched TV’s designed for the entire world. Here is a link that shows that Mitsubishi LCD’s are using a 3:2 pulldown technique when a 1080P/24 signal is inputed.
Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate

Now when a new 120HZ rear projector Mitsubishi is reviewed I will be watching to see if the US models bypass the 3:2 pulldown process. If they do I will add them to the list.

IceNine · #14 11-22-2007, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Perhaps the UK models of Mitsubishi displays correctly refresh 1080P/24 material. This list is made up of US models only since I have not researched TV’s designed for the entire world. Here is a link that shows that Mitsubishi LCD’s are using a 3:2 pulldown technique when a 1080P/24 signal is inputed.
Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate

Now when a new 120HZ rear projector Mitsubishi is reviewed I will be watching to see if the US models bypass the 3:2 pulldown process. If they do I will add them to the list.

There is only one WD-73833 and it bypasses the 3:2 process, according to what I have read.

HDTV1080P · #15 11-22-2007, 08:12 PM

List Updated with correct refresh rates for the Sony VPL-VW60 (96HZ) and VPL-VW200 (120HZ)

I subscribe to just about every Video and Audio magazine that I am aware of like Widescreen Review, Home Theater, Perfect Vision, and various other print and electronic magazines. Once and a while people that publish these magazines make mistakes. Anymore it’s getting so bad that one needs to have more then one source of information to see which review or news article contains the correct information.

For example here is a link to why the Sony front projectors were labeled at 48HZ
http://forum.hd-dvd.com/showpost.php?p=6722&postcount=46

The list now has been corrected and the Sony VPL-VW60 is labeled as 96HZ and the VPL-VW200 is 120HZ. The 120HZ for the VPL-VW200 comes from Sony’s original press release.

Quote
“Like the VPL-VW50, the VW60 changes its refresh rate to 96Hz and employs a "4:4 pulldown" (each frame is repeated four times) when you give it a 1080p/24 signal. I love this feature. This removes the odd judder inherent in all 24-frame-per-second content when displayed at 60Hz (thanks to 3:2 pulldown). The result is a smoother image, but without the overly smooth, artificial look that can occur when a display interpolates frames (which some 120Hz displays are now doing).”

http://hometheatermag.com/frontprojectors/1107sonyvw60/

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