Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate

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Problems on some older models of VIZIO's not displaying 1080P/24 signals from most BLU-RAY players

(also film cadence issues)

(New VIZIO models most likely will not have this issue with 1080P/24 signals)

The newer models of VIZIO displays that have been released in the later half of 2009 appear to have a lot better quality when it comes to 1080p/24 compatibility issues. I was reading some older reviews from CNET that mentioned that the VIZIO 120HZ LCD displays like the VF550XVT and SV470XVT did not seem to preserve the cadence of film when the 5:5 pulldown option was turned on (Smooth Mode Effect turned off). CNET thought the displays looked more like 60HZ with 3:2 pulldown. Some brands and models of displays on the list do a better job of displaying 1080P/24 signals compared to others.

There have been a few reviews that mention that the older VIZIO displays will not accept a 1080P/24 signal from most standalone BLU-RAY or HD-DVD players. Only the Sony Playstation 3 was able to work at 1080P/24.

According to the following Home Theater review, it appears VIZIO fixed the problem with the VF550XVT with either a firmware or hardware update. Older 120HZ VF550XVT's would not work with most BLU-RAY or HD-DVD players when 1080P/24 signal was inputted to one of the VIZIO HDMI inputs. The review mentions that VIZIO will make a house call at no charge to fix the problem.

Home Theater review on the VIZIO VF550XVT 120HZ LCD (April 2009 review link)

Quote

" When I prepared to play Cars on my Samsung BD-P1200 Blu-ray player, I tried to set it to output 1080p/24, but it would not let me select 24 fps. That was odd, so I set the Toshiba HD-XA2 HD DVD player to 1080p/24, but the Vizio’s screen went black, and I could not reset the player because I couldn’t see the menu. Outputting 1080p/60 worked fine in both cases. Vizio claims this issue with 1080p/24 was limited to earlier samples. If you run into this problem, Vizio will make a house call to fix it at no cost."
http://hometheatermag.com/flat-panels/vizio_vf550xvt_lcd_hdtv/index1.html


VIZIO VF550XVT 120 HZ LCD flat panels will not work with many BLU-RAY players in 1080p/24 mode (Feb 2009 review link)

According to the UltimateAVmag.com review the Vizio VF550XVT works fine with the Playstation 3 but there is incompatibility problems when using most standalone BLU-RAY and HD-DVD players that will not allow a 1080p/24 signal to be inputted into the VIZIO. Note: According to the updated review posted above, the following problem has been fixed on newer models.

Quote

" When I was preparing to play Cars on my Samsung BD-P1200 Blu-ray player, I tried to set it to output 1080p/24, but it would not let me select 24fps. That was odd, so I set the Toshiba HD-XA2 to 1080p/24, but the Vizio's screen went black, and I could not reset the player because I could not see the menu. Outputting 1080p/60 worked fine in both cases."

"When I called Vizio about it, I was informed that the TV has a compatibility problem with certain players at 1080p/24- the company has identified the Panasonic DMP-BD30 and 35 in this regard. (I assume the BD50 and 55 must also be problematic, since they are identical to the 30 and 35 except for their multichannel analog-audio outputs.) According to the company, the Sony PlayStation 3 works fine at 1080p/24, but I didn't have one on hand to test this."

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/vizio_vf550xvt_lcd_tv/index3.html

CNETS review on the VF550XVT (1080p/24 film cadence quality issues)

"Another issue with the Vizio's video processing sees to have carried over from the SV470XVT. When we turned off its dejudder and engaged the 1080p/24 setting on our Blu-ray player, the Vizio didn't seem to preserve the cadence of film as well as the other displays. The pan over the Intrepid from "I Am Legend," for example, looked closer to the 60Hz Panasonic, with its characteristic "hitch" from 2:3 pulldown, than to the Sony, Samsung and Pioneer, which properly convert the 24-frame material for display on their 120Hz (and 72Hz, in Pioneer's case) refresh rates."

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/vizio-vf550xvt/4505-6482_7-33499519.html?tag=mncol;lst

CNETS review of the 120HZ SV470XVT (1080p/24 film cadence quality issues)


"As a 120Hz display we expected the SV470XVT to improve the look 1080p/24 sources when its dejudder processing was turned off, but we found it difficult to discern any benefit to setting our player to 1080p/24 mode with this display. We checked out the pan over the Intrepid aircraft carrier from I Am Legend for this comparison. We expected to see the marginally smoother look evinced on the Samsung A650 and the Sony (with their dejudder modes off) but instead the pan looked a bit less smooth, similar to the appearance of the 60Hz displays in our test (the plasmas and the Samsung A550). This isn't a huge deal in our opinion, since the difference between the two isn't gigantic by any means, but videophiles intent on using 1080p/24 to preserve the correct cadence of film may be disappointed in the Vizio".

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/vizio-sv470xvt/4505-6482_7-33196900.html?tag=mncol;lst

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The Sony VPL-HW10 Front Projector has been moved to the discontinued list (out of production)

Sony SXRD 1080P Front Projector VPL-HW10 (Projection Picture Size: 40" to 200" measured diagonally) (96Hz)

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The Sony VPL-HW15 SXRD (LCOS) Front Projector has been added to the list

Like all Sony 1080P SXRD Front Projectors the VPL-HW15 will handle 1080p/24 signals just like a movie projector and flash the image on the screen at multiplies of the original frame rate. This model uses the 96HZ 4:4 pulldown method for 1080p/24 signals. List price is only $2,999.99. This model is limited to projecting up to a 200 inch image where as some other Sony projectors will project up to 300 inches.


Sony SXRD 1080P Front Projector VPL-HW15 (Projection Picture Size: 40" to 200" measured diagonally) (96Hz)

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The Sony VPL-VW85 SXRD Front Projector has been added to the list

September 2009 Home Theater Review link

The new Sony VPL-VW85 SXRD 1080P Front Projector has been added to the list. With Motion Enhancer turned off the Projector will properly display 1080p/24 images just like a film projector using 4:4 pulldown at 96HZ. Turning on Motion Enhancer will make 1080P/24 source material look like video instead of film since interpolation of new frames is used.

The Sony VPL-VW85 does not have as deep as blacks as the Sony VPL-VW70 and instead Sony decided to make the new model much more brighter on the screen. The list price on the VPL-VW85 is $8,000 and a 1080P image between 40 inches to 300 inches can be projected.

The following are a few select quotes from the September Home Theater review link

" With a 1080p/24 source, the Sony projects at a refresh rate of 96 frames per second. To reach 96 hertz, it either repeats each original frame three times or uses its Motion Enhancer feature to create interpolated frames. The upside of the latter is noticeably smoothed-out motion. The downside is that Motion Enhancer, particularly in its high setting, makes film-based sources look like video. A separate Film Projection feature also offers a dark frame insertion feature that I didn’t test. I left both of these features off for all of my tests."

Click here to read the complete review at the Home Theater website

" the new model is a refinement. It’s just as impressive in most respects, but there’s at least one significant improvement: dramatically higher brightness."

" The VPL-VW85 has three SXRD imaging chips, one for each color. There’s no moving color wheel and therefore no rainbow artifacts."

" In addition to the usual aspect ratios, the VPL-VW85 includes an anamorphic zoom option that’s designed for use with an anamorphic lens for showing 2.35:1 films on a 2.35:1 screen. The projector also has a 12-volt trigger signal that lets you move a motorized anamorphic lens into place when you select this aspect ratio. I didn’t use the anamorphic feature in this review."

" The VPL-VW85’s black level isn’t as deep as the black level we measured from the VPL-VW70. The reason is obvious: The VPL-VW85 is a much brighter projector."

"On my now ancient JVC DLA-RS1 (two-plus years old), which gets its deep blacks without the need for an auto iris, hundreds of stars were visible, including many very dim ones. On the Sony, there were also plenty of stars against a comparably black background, but the stars were noticeably dimmer. That’s because the auto iris sees a star field as mostly black, so it dims the scene to deepen those blacks, and in the process, it dims the stars as well. Only by a direct comparison to a projector with comparable blacks and no auto iris would you be aware that anything was amiss."

"I can’t recall another projector I’ve reviewed that produced better resolution than the VPL-VW85. And it was this superior resolution I first noticed when I fired it up. White lettering on titles was clear and crisp, without the trace of colored edges that often turns up on other projectors—a sign of panel misalignment, optical issues (chromatic aberration), or both. In fact, the Sony’s lens quality here appeared to be among the best."

" Conclusions
I could be curmudgeonly about the odd gamma in the auto iris settings and the nonintuitive RCP color management system. I could talk about the lack of a blue-only mode to better check the color and tint settings and the quality of the color decoder. But no video display is perfect. The important point is that Sony has continued to refine its SXRD projectors while holding the line on the price. The result is a great projector that, while not inexpensive, should be on your shopping list even if you’re willing and able to pay much, much more."

Click here to read the complete review at the Home Theater website

[Arturo Lugo]

I just wanted to THANK YOU for the incredible work of updating this page and always adding the newest, relevant info.

I always come check this page when a friend/relative asks me for advise on affordable, up-to-date and future-proof TVs if they ever decide to take the Blu-Ray plunge.

Now I'm actually going to buy mine, and went ahead & printed posts 3 and 5 of this thread. I'm heading to my local Best-Buy and other electronics stores during the week, and hopefully will buy my new Sony or Samsung 46" HDTV by the weekend.

Really exciting times, and your advice has proven to be invaluable. Thanks again.

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Toshiba 46SV670U LCD with Local Dimming LED backlighting flat panel

(October 2009 Home Theater review link)

Possible the best flat panel every made so far from Toshiba in terms of picture quality.

The Toshiba 46SV670U LCD with Local Dimming LED backlighting offers outstanding black levels that are close to the quality of a discontinued reference Pioneer plasma. The discontinued 9th generation Pioneer plasma still has better color accuracy and an overall better picture when compared to the Toshiba 46SV670U. At only $2,300 the 46 inch Toshiba 46SV670U is a excellent value priced LCD screen. The 55 inch 55SV670U lists for $3,000. Local dimming LCD models like the Sony XBR8 use to cost $5,000 for a 46 inch model and $7,000 for a 55 inch model, the Toshiba is several thousands of dollars less.

The Toshiba 670U series LCD displays will properly display 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate (This true 24p feature is an important feature for those that watch a lot of BLU-RAY movies). The Toshiba display is really a 120HZ display with a simulated 240HZ effect. Currently only Sony and Samsung are offering true 240HZ LCD displays. According to the Home Theater review the Toshiba 670U series will do a true 5:5 pulldown for 1080P/24 source material when Clearscan is turned off. According to other reviews regarding the 120HZ feature on the Toshiba LCD models there is a second way to turn on 5:5 pulldown with repeating frame method. When Film stabilization is set to standard mode the display will also do a true 5:5 pulldown when 1080p/24 signals are received. Having two ways to turn on 5:5 pulldown is a rare feature, most or all other brands only offer one way to turn on the 5:5 pulldown method.

Here are a few select quotes from the October Home Theater review link


"The Toshiba can accept a 1080p/24 source. When ClearScan 240 is off, it repeats each real frame of a 1080p/24 input four additional times to match the set’s 120-Hz refresh rate (5:5 pulldown). When ClearScan 240 is on, and the Film Stabilization control is set to Smooth, some of the added frames are interpolated. In either case, the blinking of the scanning backlight creates the effect of two frames for each actual frame, which approximates 240-Hz operation."

"The aggressive interpolation that many 120-Hz and 240-Hz designs use often gives film-based material an unnatural (for film), video-like smoothness. Some viewers like this effect, but others (including me) do not. On this Toshiba, the film-like look remained largely intact, even with ClearScan 240 engaged. Nevertheless, I left this feature off for all of my testing and viewing. Even without it, I wasn’t bothered by motion blur. However, gamers and sports fans might choose to turn it on for those applications."

Click here to read the complete review at the Home Theater website

"The Toshiba’s image remains watchable—if you’re not too fussy—farther off axis than is the case with most LCD designs. Even at nearly 45 degrees, most viewers won’t complain. Still, as with all LCDs, you will see a better picture when you sit near the center. When you move further to the side than 20 degrees, the image lightens noticeably. But the lightening isn’t nearly as dramatic as it is with most conventional LCD HDTVs. In my opinion, the 46SV670U’s superb black level deserves much of the credit for this."

"The main downside of local dimming is that the limited number of backlighting zones can produce a visible halo around bright objects that are set against very dark backgrounds. This is easiest to see in white-lettered titles and end credits superimposed over black. I occasionally saw this effect in the Toshiba, but it was so rare that it didn’t bother me."

"Outstanding black level and shadow detail"

"It offers a level of performance that was previously reserved for a few other, much more expensive LED local-dimming designs and the best plasmas ever produced (the now discontinued Pioneer KUROs)."

"Until now, LED backlighting, particularly when combined with local dimming, has been a complex design technique only used in a few very expensive sets (some sets offer LED backlighting without local dimming). Toshiba now shatters that price barrier with the $2,300, 46-inch 46SV670U. (Toshiba also offers a 55-inch version, the 55SV670U, at $3,000.) While 23 big ones isn’t exactly in blue-light special territory, it’s thousands less than what much of the competition demands."

"When you turn DynaLight off, the LED backlighting remains on, but it’s in a fixed mode with no local dimming. This significantly degrades the set’s black level. The DynaLight control you’ll see on other Toshiba sets—sets without local dimming—doesn’t perform the same functions or offer the same benefits as it does here."

"While many sets that offer a 240-Hz implementation use a full 240-Hz refresh rate, Toshiba’s version, ClearScan 240, refreshes at 120 Hz and scans the backlights for a pseudo-240-Hz effect."

"If you’re a video purist, you might be put off by the Toshiba’s few technical shortcomings. But if you’re looking for a great LCD set for a price that, while not cheap, is more affordable than most of the competition, this might just be a winner for you. It’s one of the best-looking sets we’ve reviewed, and possibly the best ever from Toshiba. Highly recommended."

Click below for Toshiba spec sheets

Toshiba 46SV670U (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when ClearScan is turned off)

Toshiba 55SV670U (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when ClearScan is turned off)

Click here to read the complete review at the Home Theater website

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2009 Flat Panel Shoot-out numbers

Here is a link to a PDF file that lists the top 8 flat panels tested in a shootout. This shootout is not performed by a professional magazine but by a professional dealer that offers all 8 of the displays for sell. Looking at the numbers from the shoot out they do match many of the professional review results from the several different magazines I subscribe too. For example the Panasonic TC-50V10 has a better black levels compared to the Samsung PN50B860. The color accuracy and peak white luminance is better on the Samsung PN50B860 compared to the Panasonic TC-50V10. The Samsung PN50B860 beat the Panasonic TC-50V10 in the area of general content video quality also. The black level performance on the Toshiba 55SV670U and Samsung UN55B8000 even beat the Panasonic V10 series according to the shootout. The higher end LCD's with Local Dimming LED Backlighting and Edge-lit LED backlighting can produce better black levels then some models of plasma displays.

What is amazing is that the discontinued 2008 Pioneer KRP-500M had a much better picture quality when compared to all 7 of the 2009 displays from various manufactories. The Pioneer KRP-500M is not even an Elite Signature series model like the 50 inch PRO-101FD. The 50 inch PRO-101FD and 60 inch PRO-141FD came out in November 2008 along with a standard non Elite version 60 inch KRP-600M and 50 inch KRP-500M. The lower priced KRP models are similar to the Elite Signature series. The advantage of the Pioneer Elite Signature series over other Pioneer models is the world wide signal support feature (PAL and SECAM), hand inspected and certified parts for the best performance, and 2 year warranty. The KRP series has a 1 year warranty. The KRP-500M is 2.5 inches thick just like the Elite Signature series. One advantage of the lower cost KRP model Pioneer monitors is that they have a built in stereo audio amplifier that can power two optional side speakers. The Elite Signature series does not have any audio section since Pioneer designed that display to be their flagship product in video quality to be used only with a external stereo or surround sound system.

Top displays according to shootout numbers (order is in the best score numbers): Total possible points is 50.

1. 2008 Pioneer Plasma KRP-500M 72HZ (Total score 46.3).

2. Toshiba 55SV670U true 120HZ with a 240HZ effect, LCD with Local Dimming (Total score 38.1).

3. Samsung PN50B860 96HZ Plasma (Total score 37) (slightly better score numbers then V10, but not as good as black levels as the V10).

4. Samsung UN55B8000 true 240HZ LCD with Edge-Lit (Total score 36.5).

5. Panasonic TC-50V10 96HZ Plasma (Total score 35.8).

Click the following link in blue to see the results of all 8 displays. The LG 50PS60 in the shoot out is a 60HZ only display with 3:2 pulldown that received a 34.9 total score.

evaluation

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In a few years future Panasonic Plasma screens might use Pioneer technology

This is good news for the future of plasma. One day in a few years there might be a few Panasonic plasma models that matches or beats the picture quality of a 2008 model 9th generation Pioneer plasma screen that went out of production in April 2009.

Quote from article

"The Pioneer KURO sets were indeed the best out there. Snap one up while you can."

"Fortunately, Pioneer's plasma know-how isn't going to waste. Leading plasma manufacturer Panasonic purchased Pioneer's patents and hired many of the engineers who worked in Pioneer's plasma division. It bodes well for future high-end Panasonic plasmas, and there is bound to be a technology trickle-down to its consumer lines."

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle...aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ

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3 new Samsung 1080P DLP Front Projectors have been added to the list

Samsung A600B DLP Front projector (48HZ) List price $1,799.99

Samsung SP-A800B DLP Front projector (48HZ) List price $9,999.99

Samsung SP-A900B DLP Front projector (48HZ) List price $12,999.99

For those that have a dedicated dark home theater room to mount a Front Projector on the ceiling, Samsung now has 3 Front Projectors that display 1080P/24 signals at 48HZ for the best quality picture when viewing movies from BLU-RAY sources.

These Samsung Front projectors have a "24 Frame True Film mode" as an option in the menu to display images on the screen at either 60HZ with 3:2 pulldown judder or 48HZ film quality mode.

For example on page 31 in the instruction manual for the Samsung SP-A800B it says:

"1080P/24fps Mode"

"This function displays the full 1080P@24Hz native HD signals which have 24 frames per second with minimal scene distortions, as in a movie. Though the difference is small, this function implements the highest screen quality."

"You can adjust 1080P/24 Frame mode in [HDMI 1] and [HDMI 2] modes only."

"1) Off : Displays scenes where 24 frames are lengthened to 60 frames. Because of this process, irregular scenes may be generated."

"2) On : Displays scenes where 24 frames are lengthened to 48 frames. All scenes are displayed regularly without any irregular scenes."

The following is a Link to the Samsung SP-A800B manual:

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...131A-00Eng.pdf

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Samsung SP-A900B 1080P DLP Front Projector

(October 2009 Home Theater review link)

This $12,999.99 Samsung SP-A900B 1080P ceiling mounted Front Projector will properly display 1080P/24 signals at 48HZ just like a film projector. This Samsung SP-A900B 48HZ DLP Projector has a high brightness mode and even on the high brightness mode there is still no visible flicker at 48HZ. (Some brands and models of flat screens that use 48HZ refresh rate have an unwatchable flicker or visible flicker at 48HZ since flat screens are much brighter than a film projector or home Front projector).

What is disappointing is that the $12,999.99 Samsung SP-A900B has a poor video processor that failed all the deinterlacing tests that Home Theater magazine performed. The $500 OPPO BDP-83 BLU-RAY player has a much better video processor. The SP-A900B black levels are not as deep as a 2009 JVC or 2009 Sony Front Projector that uses LCOS technology. On top of that this Samsung projector has more visible rainbow issues compared to other DLP projectors according to the review.

There are advantages to this Samsung DLP projector like almost perfect color reproduction, excellent detail, and higher brightness output for those that have super large screens.


The following are select quotes from the review


"The Samsung accepts 1080p/24 sources and displays them at a refresh rate of 48 frames per second by repeating each frame twice. If you’re concerned that this might produce visible flicker, it did not."

Click here to read the complete review at the Home Theater website

"The DLP color wheel has six segments, and the exhaust fan vents to the side through an opening that also allows a little light to leak from the case (undesirable but acceptable)."

"The Samsung’s video processing was disappointing. It failed all of our deinterlacing tests (see the “Video Test Bench” chart). Moiré was also visible on our real-world tests from Mission: Impossible III on Blu-ray (the brick wall in chapter 7 and the stairs in chapter 8). And the diagonal ropes in the sailing ship’s rigging on the Spears & Munsil High Definition Benchmark Blu-ray Disc were loaded with jaggies."

"One other concern is DLP rainbows. I can’t come down too hard on the Samsung here; this is an artifact that’s common to one degree or another in all single-chip DLP displays that use a color wheel. On the Samsung, most likely because of its brightness, the rainbows were a bit more intrusive than average for a DLP design. Some people are highly sensitive to rainbows, while others never see them. They are most visible in dark scenes with bright highlights, particularly when the highlights are moving. An acid test for rainbows is in chapter 7 of Stargate: Continuum, where the characters wave flashlights as they move around in the otherwise dark gloom of a ship’s cargo hold."

"However, in other important respects, the Samsung offers exemplary performance. Its color is essentially flawless, with spot-on color tracking and a nearly perfect HD color gamut."

"The Samsung had superior resolution of detail, but it took a lot of looking at the sharpest program material to spot the differences. On the other hand, the Sony clearly had a deeper, darker black level and nearly as good shadow detail. But the Samsung popped a little more in the mid-brightness region."

"Conclusions"

"The Samsung’s weaknesses include a black level that’s merely average for a DLP home theater projector, video processing well below average, and rainbow artifacts that seem to be unavoidable in color-wheel-driven, single-chip DLP projectors."

"The most significant of this triple threat is the projector’s video processing. Its processing is easily bettered by at least one $500 Blu-ray player."

"You’ll be hard-pressed to find another projector in this price range that offers a more compelling combination of accurate color, pristine detail, and more than generous brightness that can fill almost any screen of a domestically practical size with a crisp, compelling image."

Click here to read the complete review at the Home Theater website

[HDTV1080P]

Important update to the list located on the High-Def Digest website

This list was originally created on the Blu-ray,com website back in Jan of 2007. Then in November of 2007 I decided to make the list available at this website also. There are some links on the main list and in other areas of this thread that have references to posts I made at Blu-ray,com. The problem is none of those links to Blu-ray,com work anymore since this website has decided to block all links to Blu-ray,com. So if you are clicking on a link and it no longer works then it most likely is because this website has blocked the link. Perfect example is on list 1 of 5. Clicking on the red links in the plasma section no longer work.

I sometimes post High-Def Digest web links at the Blu-ray,com forum and it is disappointing to see this website has started to block links to other websites.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Important update to the list located on the High-Def Digest website

This list was originally created on the Blu-ray,com website back in Jan of 2007. Then in November of 2007 I decided to make the list available at this website also. There are some links on the main list and in other areas of this thread that have references to posts I made at Blu-ray,com. The problem is none of those links to Blu-ray,com work anymore since this website has decided to block all links to Blu-ray,com. So if you are clicking on a link and it no longer works then it most likely is because this website has blocked the link. Perfect example is on list 1 of 5. Clicking on the red links in the plasma section no longer work.

I sometimes post High-Def Digest web links at the Blu-ray,com forum and it is disappointing to see this website has started to block links to other websites.

Good news. The weblink block to www.blu-ray.com has been removed. The small amount of links on the list that use that site for reference is working again.

[HDTV1080P]

New Panasonic PT-AE4000 1080P 96HZ LCD Front Projector has been added to the list

The Panasonic PT-AE4000 uses a similar frame creation process as the PT-AE3000. It is my understanding that the Panasonic PT-AE4000 will do a true 4:4 pulldown at 96HZ when a 1080p/24 signal is received when the Frame Creation option is turned off in the menu.

The Panasonic PT-AE4000 Front Projector has an improved contrast ratio of 100,000:1 versus 60,000:1 that the prior model PT-AE3000 had. In theory a improved contrast ratio should mean an improvement in picture quality. The other amazing thing is the list price on the PT-AE4000 is only $1,999 which makes it the cheapest LCD Front Projector on the list (The Mitsubishi HC3800 DLP Front Projector at $1,495 list price is the cheapest DLP currently on the list and just added to the list today).

Here are some reference links:
http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/p...features2.html

http://www.projectorcentral.com/pana...tor_review.htm

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New Mitsubishi HC3800 48HZ 1080P DLP Front Projector added to the list

*** Wow, new record breaking price. Own a 300 inch 48HZ 1080P Front Projector for under $1,500 ***

The new Mitsubishi HC3800 48HZ 1080P single chip DLP Front Projector has been added to the list. 1080P/24 BLU-RAY signals are flashed on the screen at 48HZ just like a film projector. The amazing thing about this Front Projector is that it has a list price of only $1,495. Also from a reliable source I have learned that online mail order companies plan on selling this projector for around $1,325. The projector can project a image between 50 inches and 300 inches as long as one has a dedicated dark home theater room to mount the projector on the ceiling (Projector can be floor mounted also).

Mitsubishi HC3800 1080P LCD Front Projector (48HZ) << (Click link for spec sheet)

" Capable of handling an output of 48p, twice the speed of cinema film
(24 frames per second), precise timing ensures true-to-life reproduction
with original, smooth movement in fast action scenes."

" With 24p direct output, 24 frames per second is converted to 48 frames per second. This allows sequential matching of two frames at a time, thereby enabling image reproduction with original sequence
smoothness."

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Samsung UN55B8500 (CNET review link)

The current LCD Flat Panel King in terms of best picture quality

(new LCD reference panel)

The Samsung UNB8500 series will properly display 1080p/24 material at 240HZ when Auto Motion Plus is turned off. This will provide a true 10:10 pulldown mode when Auto Motion Plus is turned off. The Samsung also has other features like Judder Reduction settings and other settings that allow the display to do a full 1080 lines on full motion tests.

According to the CNET review the Samsung UN55B8500 is the second best flat screen they tested in terms of black levels and overall picture quality when viewing the display directly in front of the screen. Only the discontinued 2008 Pioneer Kuro had deeper blacks and an overall better picture quality.

The 240HZ Samsung UN55B8500 and UN46B8500 has a better picture quality and black level then even the reference 120HZ Sony XBR8 and Panasonic V10 series. Plasma fans should consider taking a look at the Samsung UN55B8500 which has a better picture then the Panasonic V10 as long as most your TV viewing is done directly in front of the TV. The Panasonic V10 is still a excellent choice for those that want better off axis viewing and plasma has faster response times then LCD which makes a 96HZ Panasonic have even less motion blur then a 240HZ LCD.

The gap is closing fast on LCD and plasma quality. Only the discontinued Pioneer from 2008 beats the Samsung UNB8500 series in overall picture quality.

Select Quotes from the CNET review:

" We tested both "Watchmen," during the scene when Osterman locks himself in the intrinsic field chamber in Chapter 19, and our standard "I Am Legend," where the camera flies over an aircraft carrier. In both cases the proper rate of film was preserved, without undue smoothing or the hitching motion of 2:3 pull-down"

"Deeper black levels than any HDTV available aside from Pioneer Kuro"

"poor off-angle viewing"

" Unlike the other three Samsung models, which use LED elements arranged along the edge of their screens, the company's two 8500 models employ a full array of local dimming LEDs behind the screen, yet maintain an ultraslim profile. As a result, this expensive HDTV handily outperforms its brothers and, yes, every other LCD-based display we've ever tested. It still can't match the best plasma, the legendary and discontinued Pioneer Kuro, and its off-angle picture leaves plenty to be desired, but people who claim the sweet spot in front of a Samsung UNB8500 will be treated to the most impressive flat-panel picture quality of the year."

" For viewers seated directly in front of the screen the Samsung UNB8500 delivers the second-deepest black levels of any display we've ever tested, after the Pioneer Kuro plasma from 2008. Those excellent blacks fall off the farther you move from dead center, however, which is an issue that prevented the UNB8500 from scoring even higher in this category. Aside from that, and its glossy screen, the expensive Samsung hits all the right notes, from color accuracy to video processing to fewer drawbacks in general than other LED-based displays. The entire package scored the same "9" in picture quality as the Panasonic V10 plasmas, the highest score we've awarded this year, and if it wasn't for off-angle issues, the UNB8500 would be the clear winner between the two."

" When seen from the sweet spot directly in front of the TV, the black levels of the Samsung UNB8500 series were the darkest and most realistic of any display in our lineup, with the exception of the Pioneer plasma. The difference was obvious in our side-by-side comparison, where the 8500 beat even the superb XBR8 and the V10, its closest competitors."

" Like other local dimming LED-based LCDs we've tested, the 8500 evinced some "blooming," where a brighter object will bleed into a darker adjacent area, but the issue was less intrusive than on any other local dimmer we've tested."

" Color accuracy: The UNB8500 scored very well in this category, albeit not up to the standards of our reference Kuro or the LG LH90."

" Thanks mostly to the 8500's excellent black levels, colors throughout the film were beautifully saturated and lush, looking more lifelike than any of the other sets aside from the Kuro"

" Video processing: The 8500 has more processing options than any HDTV we've tested this year, but the result is superb performance in this category. We'll begin with the set's motion resolution, which came in at the full 1080 lines on our test, equaling the best plasmas we've tested (Panasonic's 2009 models, such as the V10) and surpassing the best LCDs, namely the LG LH90, the Sony XBR8, and the Samsung A950."

" The biggest weakness of LED-based LCDs comes in the arena of off-angle viewing, and the 8500 follows suit. When we moved just one couch cushion to either side, the blacks lightened considerably, becoming brighter, more washed-out, and less realistic, and taking the rest of the image quality down with them."

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