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#331
06-06-2009, 07:44 PM
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SAMSUNG UN32B6000 32 INCH 1080P LCD FLAT SCREEN WITH LED BACKLIGHTING (HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE LIST) The Samsung UN32B6000 spec sheet lists 120HZ Auto Motion Plus feature. On any Samsung display that has 120HZ with Auto Motion Plus, when AMP is turned off the display will do a true 5:5 pulldown at 120HZ using the multiplies of the original frame method when a 1080p/24 signal is received. The list is really growing this year. Last year true 32 inch 1080P's with 5:5 pulldown method was not in production. Now there is 5 different 120HZ 32 inch flat screens on the list and 2 32 inch 48HZ models. A 50 inch or 60 inch display is more enjoyable but sometimes for a office or kitchen only a 32 inch or 24 inch will physically fit. Hopefully in the future we will see true 1080P screens smaller then 32 inches that offers the true 1080p/24 refresh rates. The Samunsg UN32B6000 is scheduled for release in late June 2009 (could always be delayed). It will be the best quality 32 inch on the market since according to the specs it has the exact same picture quality as the UNB6000 series. I have seen the high end 240HZ UN55B8000 and 120HZ UN40B6000 and they have a nice picture quality. The UN32B6000 will have a suggested retail price of $1,599.99. From a reliable mail order source I was told that once large quantities of the UN32B6000 are shipped that some mail order companies plan on selling the UN32B6000 for slightly under $1,150. Of course one might need to wait until the Fall/Winter of 2009 to be able to get a UN32B6000 for slightly under $1,150. The Samsung UN32B6000 will be the smallest and cheapest LCD with LED backlighting on the market. Samsung UN32B6000 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Sony 240HZ and Samsung 240HZ models: I am still waiting for a professional review to be published on these new 240HZ LCD screens before adding them to the list. I want to make sure when the motion feature is turned off that they either do a 10:10 pulldown or 5:5 pulldown for 1080P/24 signals. Currently only the LG 240HZ models appear on the list since the spec sheets for those models list 5:5 pulldown which is 120HZ when a 1080p/24 signal is received. Last edited by HDTV1080P : 06-06-2009 at 08:31 PM. 
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#332
06-07-2009, 03:10 AM
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** Important Update to the List ** I wanted to keep the list as simple as possible and have one section for LED backlighting displays, but since historically so far LCD's with Local Dimming LED backlighting have a better picture quality when compared to LCD's with Edge-lit LED backlighting I decided to create two different categories. So list number 2 now has two categories. 1. LCD with Local Dimming LED backlighting (flat panel): These displays are an excellent alternative to plasma screens with deep blacks and excellent color accuracy. 2. LCD with Edge-lit LED backlighting (flat panel): These displays are ultra thin and use less power with a picture quality that is better than most standard LCD screens. Plasma screens and LCD's with Local Dimming LED backlighting have a better picture quality. Will LED local dimming technology survive when the average consumer is confused? There are so many new display technologies that it is possible the average consumer is going to get confused and thick all LCD's with LED backlighting displays are the same. The Sony XBR8 is current the best quality LCD with LED backlighting on the market in terms of overall picture quality. Only the discontinued Pioneer Kuro plasma has an overall better picture quality then the Sony XBR8. The Sony XBR8 55 inch is almost 6 inches deep and the list price was just recently dropped from $7,000 to $5,499.99. When the average consumer sees the list price on the 55 inch Samsung UN55B6000 is $3,599.99 and the fact the display is only 1.2 inches thick they will be very attracted to the Samsung display even though the picture is not as good as the Sony. My point is companies that are making the better quality LCD displays with "Local Dimming" LED backlighting need to start making their displays thinner and cheaper or one day perhaps the lower quality cheaper LCD with "Edge-lit" LED backlighting technology might be the only LED technology to choose from. I love the awesome cosmetic look of Samsung's new displays but I prefer the picture quality of the Pioneer Kuro and Sony XBR8. With the Samsung being cheaper and thinner then the Sony XBR8 the average consumer will purchase the Samsung models. Hopefully there will be enough videophiles around to generate a market for "Local Dimming" LED technology. SAMSUING 120HZ LCD Edge-lit LED backlighting screens picture quality info The new 120HZ Samsung LCD's with Edge-lit backlighting are very thin at 1.2 inches and also are very energy efficient. In general the new 120HZ Samsungs have a better picture quality with deeper blacks when compared to some standard LCD screens. The negative is that the new 120HZ Samsung LCD Edge-lit LED backlighting displays do not have as good as quality picture when compared to the Pioneer Kuro plasma series, Sony XBR8 series (LED Local Dimming) , and the Samsung A950 series (LED Local Dimming). There is also screen uniformity issues with the new models. Hopefully over time second generation "Edge-lit" models will improve in quality. Reference quotes from CNET on the 120HZ Samsung UNB6000 series review http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un55b6000/4505-6482_7-33488070.html?tag=mncol;txt " Product summary "The good: Produces relatively deep black levels; accurate color; very good dejudder processing; sleek styling with 1.2-inch thick panel; extensive picture controls; extremely energy-efficient." "The bad: Expensive; less-uniform screen than other LCDs; poor off-angle viewing; backlight fluctuates with program brightness; dark areas tinged bluer; shiny screen can cause reflections in bright rooms; red frame isn't for everyone." "The bottom line: Although it delivers fine picture quality, except for a few flaws, the ultrathin Samsung UNB6000 series will appeal mainly to style seekers who don't mind spending more money." "We're not the biggest fans of the UNB6000's fluctuating backlight, and we'd like to see a more-uniform picture for this much scratch, but otherwise its image quality leaves little to be desired." Features "Edge-lit LED backlighting heads the UNB6000's feature set. Samsung calls these sets "LED TVs," but it's important to remember they're actually otherwise normal liquid-crystal display TVs that use light-emitting diodes instead of the standard fluorescent backlights. Unlike the Sony KDL-55XBR8 and Samsung LN46A950, which both use local dimming technology that mounts the LEDs behind the screen, the UNB6000 series is edge-lit, with LEDs arranged around the edge of the screen. Check out the slideshow for more information." Some Negative quotes "When seen from off-angle, the UNB6000 also looked worse than any of the other displays in our comparison. Dark areas quickly washed out and became bluer, while brightness variations intensified, as we moved to either side of the sweet spot in the middle of the couch. The UNB6000 did seem to preserve its vertical viewing angle a bit better than the Sony or the Samsung A950 did, but both sets beat the UNB6000 in horizontal viewing angle." "We weren't fans of the way the backlight would fluctuate, and screen uniformity is disappointing for such an expensive TV." "Black level: Performance in this area was good overall, but not as impressive as that of the best sets in our comparison--and about equal to that of the 7000. Our main complaint revolves around the fluctuations of the LED backlight. In very dark scenes, the entire backlight, and thus the letterbox bars and shadows, would dim, while in brighter scenes it would become brighter. Other displays do similar things, but on Samsung's edge-lit LED screens it was more noticeable and affected more than just completely black screens. " "Indeed, the UNB6000 did deliver a deep shade of black, although not quite as deep as that of the 7000. It appeared about as dark as that of the A950 and deeper than the A650, but not as inky as the Pioneer, Sony XBR8, or Panasonic." "Like many LCD-based screens, the UNB6000 also suffered from a bluish tinge in blacks and near-black shades." " Uniformity: The Samsung UNB6000 exhibited similar uniformity characteristics as the 7000, which was worse overall than the other displays in our comparison--although better than the edge-lit Sony's KLV-40ZX1M. In dark areas and letterbox bars, the 6000's corners and the right side appeared brighter than the rest of the screen, an effect which was visible in Chapter 20, for example." Some Positive quotes "Aside from the obvious thinness, the LEDs allow for a couple other design bonuses. The UNB6000 runs a lot cooler than other LCD and plasma displays producing a similar amount of light, and the panel itself weighs less than other models." " Samsung's UNB6000 showed very good picture quality overall, with relatively deep black levels, accurate color and excellent, adjustable video processing." " Color accuracy: The Samsung UNB6000 scored well in this category, with excellent primary colors and color decoding, along with a solid grayscale that only lost accuracy in very dark areas" Sony KLV-40ZX1M 120HZ LCD Edge-lit LED backlighting screens picture quality info The new Samsung Edge-lit LED backlighting screens have a better picture quality compared to Sony's first large 40 inch design. The Samsung UNB6000 screen uniformity and black levels were better compared to the Sony KLV-40ZX1M. Reference quotes from CNET on the 120HZ Sony KLV-40ZX1M review http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-bravia-klv-40zx1m/4505-6482_7-33248636.html?tag=mncol;txt "The good: Ultrathin panel creates a high-tech design; hidden cords; relatively accurate color; numerous picture controls; energy efficient." "The bad: Extremely expensive; subpar black-level performance and color saturation; uneven screen uniformity; scant connectivity with just one HDMI input." "The bottom line As the first large-screen edge-lit LED-based LCD, Sony's KLV-40ZX1M looks stunning turned off, but it falls short when powered up." "Edge-lit LED-powered displays such as this Sony and upcoming Samsung models announced at CES do not employ local dimming, so, as you might expect, their black-level performance can't match that of displays that do. On the other hand, edge-lit LED backlights allow the panels to be thinner than ever--the KLV-40ZX1M's panel, for example, measures just 1.1 inches thick. As a result, this TV looks stunningly thin and high tech, especially when seen from the side, and its LED technology allows for improved energy-efficiency. Naturally, you'll pay a good deal more for the privilege of owning a first-generation technology, although we expect edge-lit LED LCDs arriving later this year to cost less." " Performance We couldn't help but be disappointed by the Sony KLV-40ZX1M's overall picture quality, especially given the excellent performance we've seen on LED-based LCDs with local dimming. Black levels were quite light, and we noticed more uniformity issues, notably brighter edges relative to the middle of the screen and poor off-angle viewing, than we're willing to forgive for a display at this price." "We expected a display lit from the edge to be at a uniformity disadvantage compared with one lit evenly from behind, and indeed the KLV-40ZX1M showed below-average uniformity. The problems were most visible in the letterbox bars above and below the image, which showed brighter areas in all four corners and the sides, while the middle of the bars looked darker. In very dark scenes, we noticed that the left side of the screen was brighter than the right. That said, in bright scenes the Sony didn't exhibit any overt uniformity problems." "Like other LED based displays we've reviewed, the edge-lit KLV-40ZX1M also performed quite poorly when seen from off-angle. In dark scenes when we moved a seat or two away from center on the couch, that brightness from the edges would creep even further into dark areas and wash out contrast and colors worse than we saw on the other displays." "Our favorite pan over the deck of the "Intrepid" from "Legend" provided the best example, where the motion was every bit as smooth--but not too smooth--as on the other 120Hz LCDs and the 72Hz Pioneer." Last edited by HDTV1080P : 06-07-2009 at 05:13 AM.
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#333
06-08-2009, 12:30 AM
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4 New LG 1080P LCD Flat screens added to the list **First 1080P display added to the list with a $550 list price** It was only May 29th 2009 when I added 22 new 2009 LG screens to the list. Now just a little over a week later there are 4 more models that will soon be released. The 50-60 inch screens are much more enjoyable for movie watching, but not every room in ones house can hold that large of display. It was only yesterday when I saying that it would be nice to have a screen smaller then 32 inches for a kitchen or office area. To my surprise when I went to the LG website I discovered that LG just released specs for a new 26 inch and 22 inch 1080P display with 2:2 pulldown 48HZ refresh rate. These sizes are ideal for connecting a BLU-RAY player or HD 1080P/24 Direct TV receiver to a kitchen or office location. For only $550 list price one can have a 22 inch 1080P with 2 HDMI version 1.3 inputs, Deep Color Support, 20,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio, and the display is ISFccc Ready (it would be nice to know what the ANSI contrast is). If one has more room in the kitchen or office the 26 inch LG 26LU55 is a better model in terms of picture quality and features. The 26 inch model has 30,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio, ISFccc Ready, 3 HDMI version 1.3 inputs, and Deep Color Support. 1080P displays keep getting cheaper and cheaper. I never thought in 2009 that a 1080P that displays 1080p/24 at 48HZ could be purchased for only $550 list price. Mail order price most likely will be under $500 for the LG 22LU55. In another year or two perhaps display manufactories will stop making 720P displays and only make 1080P's. Also added to the list is LG's new 120HZ 5:5 pulldown 47 inch and 55 inch LH85 series. The LH85 series has a media box that uses an uncompressed wireless 1080p transmission to get rid of messy cables. Personally I prefer using HDMI cables and do not like wireless. If there is a lot of RF interference in one's home or office the transmission would be lost or digital artifacts would appear on the screen. In the ideal world if there is no RF interference at the 60GHZ frequency the picture and sound of the wireless transmission should be just as good of quality in theory as using HDMI cables. Many of the LG displays now have passed Simplay Labs certification process for HDCP compatibility when connecting HDCP devices with a HDMI cable. A complete list of brands and models that have passed this important certification test can be found at the following link http://www.simplayhd.com/consumers/verified_products.aspx 48 HZ LG displays: If the LG LCD product has only Real Cinema without TruMotion then the display is both a 60HZ and 48HZ LCD display. If Real Cinema is off in the menu and a 1080p/24 signal is received by the LG then the display adds 3:2 pulldown judder and converts the signal to 60HZ. If the Real Cinema feature is turned on in the display, according to the spec sheet and instruction manual the LG display will do a true 48HZ 2:2 pulldown when it receives a 1080p/24 signal. Reference: 1. The 48HZ 2:2 pulldown feature is listed in the LG spec sheets under "24p Real Cinema"for all 48HZ models on the list. 2. On page 76 of the LG manual it mentions 48 fps when using the Real Cinema feature. Quote from LG manual "Makes video clips recorded in film look more natural by eliminating judder effect." Click the following link to download manual http://www.lge.com/us/tv-audio-video/televisions/LG-lcd-tv-42LH40.jsp# 120 HZ and 240 HZ LG displays: For all the new 2009 LG 240HZ and 120HZ LCD models when the TruMotion feature is turned off and Real Cinema is turned on the display will do a true 5:5 pulldown at 120HZ when a 1080p/24 signal is received. According to the LG spec sheets for every LG 240HZ display the 240HZ feature only works for normal TV viewing with 60HZ sources. The LG 240HZ spec sheets clearly lists 5:5 pulldown only for "24p Real Cinema". 5:5 pulldown always means 120HZ at multiplies of the original frame rate. In the past I have seen errors in LG spec sheets and manuals when it comes to the 1080p/24 feature and how it works. I am waiting for a professional review to make sure this is not another LG misprint. So according to all the 240HZ LG spec sheets the display is really only 120HZ 5:5 pulldown when a 1080p/24 signal is received. Reference: 1. The 120HZ 5:5 pulldown feature is listed in the LG spec sheets under "24p Real Cinema"for all 240HZ and 120HZ models on the list. 2. On page 76 of the LG manual it mentions 120 fps when using the Real Cinema feature. Quote from LG manual "Makes video clips recorded in film look more natural by eliminating judder effect." Click the following link to download manual http://www.lge.com/us/tv-audio-video/televisions/LG-lcd-tv-42LH40.jsp# Warning about LG LCD burn in issue: I was very surprised to hear that LG LCD screens have burn in issues just like plasma screens. In general the selling feature of LCD screens was that they did not have the burn in problems that plasma screens have. On page 8 of the LG manual it warns people to not display a fixed image on a LCD screen for 2 hours or more (Only 1 hour or more for LG plasmas). I am not aware of any other LCD manufactory that warns against LCD burn in issues. Click the following link to download manual (see page 8) http://www.lge.com/us/tv-audio-video/televisions/LG-lcd-tv-42LH40.jsp# 4 NEW 2009 LG models have been added to the list LG 22LU55 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 48HZ when Real Cinema is on) LG 26LU55 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 48HZ when Real Cinema is on) LG 47LH85 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on) LG 55LH85 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on)
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#334
06-08-2009, 02:49 AM
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Pioneer, how we miss thee already.
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#335
06-09-2009, 04:48 PM
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Panasonic TC-46G10 1080P Plasma (June 2009 Home Theater magazine review link) (Visible flicker at 48HZ when using 1080p/24 signals) Just like all other reviews on the Panasonic G10 series when a 1080p/24 signal is received a visible flicker appears on the screen when using the 2:2 pulldown 48HZ film quality mode. I am hoping that someday all future Panasonic models would use either 3:3 pulldown 72HZ or 4:4 pulldown 96HZ (Or higher multiplies of 24fps). I am surprised Panasonic even offers the 48HZ setting since all the reviews mention the flicker issue. Quote " For 1080p/24 material, the 24p Direct In option lets you select either 24 fps (displayed at 48 fps) or 60 fps (with 3:2 pulldown added). For me, 48 fps wasn’t fast enough to eliminate visible flicker on some program material. Because of this, I used the 60-Hz setting for most of the review, even with 1080p/24 sources." http://hometheatermag.com/flat-panels/panasonic_tc-p46g10_plasma_hdtv/index1.html
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#336
06-09-2009, 04:49 PM
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The DreamVision Dream' E SXRD Front Projector will not be added to the list since it is 60HZ only The DreamVision Dream'E, 3 chip SXRD Front Projector costs $5,295 and $9,595 with the anamorphic lens. Unfortunately it displays 1080p/24 material at 60HZ using a 3:2 pulldown process. Quote " The projector can accept 1080p/24, which it displays at 60 hertz, and you can tweak the alignment of the red and blue imaging panels horizontally and vertically to help minimize color-alignment errors." http://hometheatermag.com/frontproje...tor/index.html DreamVision makes excellent quality SXRD Front Projectors. The high quality Dream Vision Dreambee 48HZ model and Dreambee 2 72HZ model are on the list for those that want to display 1080p/24 signals just like a film projector does. Last edited by HDTV1080P : 06-09-2009 at 04:59 PM.
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#338
06-11-2009, 08:03 AM
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The following 1080P Toshiba LCD displays will not be added to the list since they are 60HZ only displays
According to Toshiba's spec sheets these displays will add 3:2 pulldown when 1080p/24 (24 fps sources) are received. Toshiba 40RV52R Toshiba 40RV525R Toshiba 46RV525R
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#339
06-11-2009, 08:04 AM
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10 new Toshiba 1080P 120HZ flat panels have been added to the list According to the Toshiba spec sheets there are 10 new Toshiba LCD flat panels that offers true 5:5 pulldown mode. On the Toshiba 120HZ models when Film stabilization is set to standard mode the display will do a true 5:5 pulldown at 120HZ. This is an important feature for BLU-RAY owners and any other device that outputs 1080p/24 signals. When the 5:5 pulldown option is on while watching a BLU-RAY the image on the screen looks more like film instead of an artificial video look. The Toshiba 670U series and 650U series are true 120HZ displays with a backlight scanning system that simulates a 240HZ effect. Currently the review I read regarding the 650U series mentioned that the "240HZ effect" does not do much to improve the quality of picture and motion since it does not really change the frame rate of the display. Hopefully next year Toshiba will offer some models with "true 240HZ" that has 10:10 pulldown when 1080p/24 signals are received. Another interesting note is all the Toshiba spec sheets have a footnote listed next to the "Cinema Mode 24fps" section that says "Viewing 24 frames per second requires content created in 480p / 24 frames/second." If one looks at that quote it sounds like one can only use a special Toshiba 480P upconvert DVD player with reverse 3:2 pulldown to get 5:5 pulldown to work. I know Toshiba lost the format war to BLU-RAY but it would have been nice to mention 1080p/24 signals can also be used for 5:5 pulldown mode. I have read a review on the Toshiba 650U series that confirms that 1080p/24 signals are converted to 1080P/120 when Film Stabilization is set to standard mode. Also the research I have done has provided me evidence that this Film Stabilization feature works just like last years models with Film Stabilization. A review link on the Toshiba 650U series will follow this posting. The amazing thing is the Toshiba 40XV640U and 40XV645U has a list price of only $999.99. Also Toshiba has a new 55SV670U and 46SV670U LCD models that offer "Local Dimming" LED backlighting. The price of the 55 inch model is $2,999.99. The 46 inch model is only $2,399.99. Without the stand they are only 4.45 inches deep, which is an improvement over other brands. It is good to see LCD's with local dimming being made smaller in depth now. No reviews on this model yet, most likely will not be as good of picture quality as the Sony XBR8 models. Click on links below to read Toshiba spec sheets LCD with Local Dimming LED backlighting (flat panel) Standard LCD (flat panel)
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#340
06-11-2009, 08:04 AM
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Toshiba 47ZV650U 1080P 120HZ LCD flat screen review link The list has been updated for the 650U series to include a link to this CNET review. According to the Toshiba spec sheet and the CNET review when a 1080p/24 BLU-RAY player is connected this display will do a true 5:5 pulldown when Film stabilization is set to standard mode. The Toshiba 650U series are true 120HZ displays with a backlight scanning system that simulates a 240HZ effect. Hopefully next year Toshiba will offer some models with "true 240HZ" that has 10:10 pulldown when 1080p/24 signals are received. Quotes "The other setting is called "Film Stabilization" and it has three choices: Off, Standard, and Smooth--all three deliver identical motion resolution numbers." "On the Toshiba, Standard doesn't introduce dejudder; it simply allows the TV to preserve the proper cadence of 24-frame sources, namely Blu-rays with the player set to 1080p/24 output mode. In such a setup, the ZV650U series' Standard setting worked well to keep the cadence intact, removing the hitching motion seen on the Panasonic plasma, for example, as the camera flies over the deck of the Intrepid during "I Am Legend." "Picture quality on the ZV650U was solid, albeit not up to the standards of the best flat-panel LCDs we've tested this year. The TV's main strength was color accuracy, thanks in part to those extensive adjustments, while black level performance was a major weakness. Toshiba's 240Hz effect didn't contribute significantly one way or the other to the TV's overall performance." Click below to read the complete CNET review http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/toshiba-47zv650u/4505-6482_7-33490636.html?tag=mncol;lst
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#341
06-11-2009, 08:05 AM
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4 New 96HZ 1080P Panasonic Plasma screens have been added to the list CNET review link for the TC-P50V10 Note: The CNET review is for the TC-P50V10 and TC-P54V10 which both have the exact same picture quality with the only difference being cost, dimensions, weight, and power consumption (Also the 54 inch stand does not swivel). According to CNET only the 50 inch and 54 inch models will use the one sheet of glass design, the larger screens of 58 and 65 inch should in theory have around the same picture quality but with a separate traditional bezel around the screen. The 58 inch and 65 inch are scheduled to be released in June and will be reviewed by CNET and other magazines sometime in the future. There are so many positive things to say about the new Panasonic TC-P50V10 and TC-P54V10. I am going to start off with the negative to get that out of the way. The discontinued reference Pioneer Kuro has a better overall picture quality when compared to the new Panasonic V10 series according to the CNET review. One unique feature of the Pioneer is that it automatically displays 1080p/24 signals at 72HZ regardless of menu settings. It is awesome the new Panasonic does not have a flicker at 96HZ but for some reason Panasonic also decided to include the 48HZ mode that produces the unpopular flicker on the screen. It would have been better if Panasonic would have made the V10 display so that it automatically displays all 1080p/24 signals at 96HZ regardless of menu settings (ideal for the average consumer that does not know that the 96Hz mode is the best setting). The new Panasonic V10 allows one to select either 48HZ, 60HZ, or 96HZ as the refresh rate when a 1080p/24 signal is received. Of course some people might want to compare the Panasonic 48HZ flicker mode, 60HZ 3:2 pulldown judder mode, and 96HZ film quality mode with 1080p/24 source material. The best mode to use on the Panasonic is the 96HZ mode that maintains the quality of film when playing a 1080P/24 source. The Panasonic will display 60HZ material at 60HZ. According to CNET 60HZ sources are fixed at 60HZ. To my knowledge the Panasonic does not have a reverse 3:2 pulldown mode, and since the CNET review says the 60HZ sources are fixed that most likely is true. The advantage of the Pioneer Kuro is that when it received 60HZ film based programs that contained 3:2 pulldown from cable or satellite it would do a reverse 3:2 pulldown and display the image at 72HZ. On the Pioneer this worked for 480I, 480P, 720P, and 1080I film based programs. It is my understanding that the new V10 series offers a true 4:4 pulldown mode at 96HZ. Will need to read further professional reviews to verify. For example the Panasonic TH-65VX100U review mentioned that the display was a 48HZ Plasma with "pseudo 96Hz" to minimize the flicker. http://forums.highdefdigest.com/1410638-post290.html Since it appears the V10 series offers true 4:4 pulldown at 96HZ that is even better then the Panasonic TH-65VX100U that is 48Hz with "pseudo 96HZ". It would be nice to know if the V10 series offers HDMI 1.2a or 1.3 and if it supports Deep Color. The Panasonic TH-65VX100U that costs $10,000 only has HDMI 1.2a and does not support Deep Color. Hopefully a future review from another professional magazine will mention if the V10 has Deep Color and HDMI 1.3. The Pioneer Kuro plasmas have HDMI 1.3 and up to 36 bit Deep Color support. Positives of the review Ok as mentioned before the reference Pioneer Kuro plasma is still better quality compared to the V10. Of course since Pioneer no longer makes plasma screens and the fact they are hard to find in stock makes that less of an issue. The good news is that the new Panasonic V10 most likely will outperform the Sony KDL-55XBR8. CNET claimed that the new Panasonic V10 outperformed any LCD-based display including all LED based models. What is disappointing is CNET did not do a direct comparison between the V10 and the Sony XBR8. As mentioned before in several other reviews Pioneer is the best and the Sony XBR8 is second best. Most likely now the new Panasonic V10 is second best and the Sony XBR8 is number 3 (Of course will need to wait for more professional reviews to be sure). If the Panasonic 54 inch V10 can out perform the Sony XBR8 that is amazing. The Sony KDL-55XBR8 list price use to be $7,000 until recently it was lowered to $5,499. The Panasonic TC-P54V10 list price is only $2,599.95. One could purchase two Panasonic TC-P54V10 screens for less then the price of one Sony 55 inch XBR8. Panasonic offers one of the best pictures at an excellent value and now they have 96HZ film quality refresh rates at amazing low price. The great thing about Panasonic plasmas is that they have a awesome viewing angle. Sony XBR8 and all other existing LCD based screens have poor viewing angles when compared to plasma (LCD screens keep improving in viewing angles but they still have not matched the quality of plasmas when it comes to viewing angles). Since Pioneer plasma screens are no longer made and if I could not find a Pioneer Plasma I most likely would purchase a Panasonic V10, Z1, or higher-end Panasonic Pro model. Perhaps in a couple years Panasonic might be able match or beat the quality of the top of the line discontinued Pioneer PRO-141FD that lists for $7,000. Here are some quotes from the CNET review "The good: Superb black-level performance with excellent shadow detail; relatively accurate color in Custom mode after adjustment; great color saturation; properly handles 1080p/24 sources without flicker; uses less power than previous 1080p plasmas; VieraCast provides access to select Internet services; plenty of connectivity with four HDMI and one PC input." "The bad: Expensive; less accurate primary and secondary colors in non-THX modes; somewhat limited picture controls; still less efficient than comparable LCDs." "The bottom line: The high-end Panasonic TC-PV10 series of plasmas delivers the overall best picture quality of any flat-panel HDTV we've tested so far this year." "In our review of Panasonic's G10 plasma we discussed how it competed for picture quality supremacy against Pioneer's now-discontinued Kuro PRO-111FD--still the best HDTV ever--and how ultimately it couldn't quite match the Kuro. The same basic story stays true for the TC-PV10 series, but it's even better than the G10. This Panasonic plasma has the same deep blacks that grace its less expensive little brother, and adds a couple of key improvements: better video processing to handle 1080p/24 sources, and more picture adjustments that allow it to transcend the limitations of THX mode. Its picture should satisfy all but the pickiest of videophiles, and it also outperforms any LCD-based display, LED or otherwise, we've ever tested." "As Panasonic's nearly top-of-the-line plasma series, excepting the Z1, the V10 models offer a couple of extras. One is the ability to refresh the screen at 96Hz, which allows the TV to properly maintain the cadence of film when fed a 1080p/24 source--typically from a Blu-ray player (the refresh rate remains fixed at the standard 60Hz for non-1080p/24 sources). The V10 also has a 48Hz setting, but we recommend using 96Hz instead since the 48Hz option can introduce flicker." "Video processing: The V10 was superb in this category. Our first order of business was to confirm that the 96Hz mode worked as advertised. It did. We tried our favorite test for proper 24-frame cadence, the flyover of the deck of the Intrepid from "I Am Legend," and the motion looked as film-like as we've come to expect from displays that handle 1080p/24 sources correctly--just the standard rapid-fire judder of film without the hitching motion associated with 2:3 pulldown. We saw similar success in camera moving across the airplanes and oil fields in Chapter 16 of "Baraka." For the record, we engaged the 60Hz setting and the hitching returned, and when we switched to 48Hz the flicker seen on the G10 and other so-equipped Panasonic plasmas was in full effect. Maybe it goes without saying, but for the full videophile experience we recommend using 96Hz mode with your Blu-ray player set to output 1080p/24." "Performance In all the Panasonic TC-PV10 series delivers the best picture quality of any flat-panel TV we've tested so far this year. Its deep black levels are it biggest strength, and its color reproduction was accurate enough, especially given the extra controls, to satisfy all but the strictest videophiles. Said videophiles will also appreciate the V10's ability to properly handle 1080p/24 sources." "Black level: The V10 exhibited the best black level performance we've seen on any flat-panel HDTV aside from the G10 and the Pioneer." "...blacks were basically the same on the G10 and visibly deeper on the Pioneer." "Color accuracy: Overall color on the V10 was quite good, although by no means perfect. The color decoding of Custom mode over-accentuates red a bit, so we had to back the color control down quite a bit to compensate and prevent skin tones from looking too ruddy. As a result saturation wasn't quite as lush as on our reference Pioneer, but it was still as good or better than the other models, as evinced by the vibrant colors of the tribesmen in Chapter 7 for example." "On big advantage the V10 showed over the LCDs in our comparison was its ability to reproduce a true color of black that wasn't too bluish. Its grayscale stayed true even in the darkest areas, even surpassing the G10 and the Pioneer in this regard." Click on the following link to read the full CNET review http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50v10/4505-6482_7-33490589.html?tag=mncol;lst The Panasonic 50 inch TC-P50V10 has a list price of $2,199.95. The Panasonic 54 inch TC-P54V10 has a list price of $2,599.95. 4 New 96HZ 1080P Panasonic Plasma screens have been added to the list Panasonic TC-P50V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free) Panasonic TC-P54V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free) Panasonic TC-P58V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free) Panasonic TC-P65V10 (Both 48HZ and 96HZ mode for 1080P/24 sources. 96HZ mode is 100% flicker free) Last edited by HDTV1080P : 06-11-2009 at 08:37 AM.
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06-11-2009, 07:47 PM
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Panasonic TC-46G10 1080P Plasma flat panel (June/July/August 2009 Sound and Vision magazine review) (Visible flicker at 48HZ when using 1080p/24 signals) Just like all other reviews on the Panasonic G10 series when a 1080p/24 signal is received a visible flicker appears on the screen when using the 2:2 pulldown 48HZ film quality mode. I am hoping that someday all future Panasonic models would use either 3:3 pulldown 72HZ or 4:4 pulldown 96HZ (Or higher multiplies of 24fps). I am surprised Panasonic even offers the 48HZ setting since all the reviews mention the flicker issue. Quote from page 68 of Sound and Vision magazine June/July/August 2009 issue "As with the Panasonic Z800-series TV that I tested last year (the TH-50PZ800U; review available online), the 46G10's image showed an objectionable degree of flicker when I engaged its 48-Hz display setting (a mode designed to reduce judder with Blu-ray Disc movies when the player's 1080p/24-format output is active). Plenty of other HDTVs can display Blu-ray content at multiplies of the formats native 1080p/24 frame rate with no problem, so it's too bad Panasonic didn't correct that issue this time out." http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdt...nce-page2.html Last edited by HDTV1080P : 06-16-2009 at 03:50 PM. Reason: UPDATED WITH LINK TO ARTICLE THAT WAS JUST RELEASED ON THE SOUND AND VISION WEBSITE
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#343
06-16-2009, 11:44 PM
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Hi all, i was looking @ this:
Precision Pro8100 Home Theater projector i'm not allowed to post links, being a newbie here, but if u search for this model on the Dell website, they r selling this model for 1899.99, down from 4999.99!!! a $3100 price cut?????!!!!!!!!!! the site specifies: 480p, 720p, 1080i, 480i, 576i, 1080/24p, 1080/60p i don't see this model listed here...am i to assume it doesn't support/display 24fps correctly, or no feedback on this model yet? also, regardless of the 24fps feature, is this model to be considered @ 1899?? looking forward to u're inputs cheers
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#344
06-17-2009, 03:22 PM
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I found this review link. http://www.projectorreviews.com/viewsonic/pro8100/index.php The Viewsonic accepts 1080p/24 signals but I do not know if it bypasses the 3:2 pulldown process when receiving a 1080p/24 signal. Personally I prefer projectors that bypass the 3:2 pulldown process to give a more film quality look during camera pans and fast moving images. Even if this projector does not offer multiplies of the original frame rate, 1080P at 60HZ still looks good. I will not be adding this projector to the list until their is documented evidence that it bypasses the 3:2 pulldown process.
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#345
06-17-2009, 08:25 PM
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HDTV1080P,
i appreciate your reply...keep up the good work cheers
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