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#316
04-20-2009, 05:31 AM
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I'm looking at buying the Sharp LC32D77X. It is marketed as a 100/120hz HDTV and claims to have 24p cinema input. I've spoken to a Sharp technician that has told me that it will display at 96Hz when a 1080p24 signal is received, but how do I actually test that his claim is true? Is there a test that I can run on the TV before buying it that will show, beyond any doubt, that a TV displays 1080p/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate?
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#317
04-20-2009, 05:35 AM
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To add to my previous post, does anybody know what the equivalent USA model is of the LC32D77X?
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#318
04-20-2009, 12:59 PM
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#319
04-25-2009, 09:02 PM
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Pioneer Elite PRO-141FD Plasma Monitor ( UltimateAVmag.com review link) Here is a April 2009 review link that was just posted at UltimateAVmag.com website on the best Pioneer Plasma monitor every made. The Pioneer PRO-141FD was released in November of 2008 and properly displays 1080p/24 signals at 72HZ. In fact every Pioneer plasma model every made that offers a 1080p/24 input feature refreshes the image correctly on the screen at 72HZ with no 3:2 pulldown. 2006 was the first year that Pionner offered a 1080P plasma. All 2006, 2007, and 2008 Pioneer 1080P plasmas models have a 1080p/24 input. Even the Pioneer 720P (offically 768P) models in 2006 and 2007 offered a 1080p/24 input with 720P (offically 768P) images being refreshed at 72HZ (The image would be downconverted to 768P at 72HZ. Pioneer's 768P at the time had a better picture quality compared to all other brands of 1080P's on the market due to the details in the contrast ratios and black levels) A 768P Pioneer in 2008 won the face off against all other 1080P flat panels. The following is a reference link to the 768P quality claim. http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/208hdface/index7.html. "If the program material is already 1080p/24, as is the case with films on Blu-ray, the set automatically converts it to 1080p/72, regardless of the PureCinema/Film Mode control’s setting." "Advanced (all sources except 1080p/60) converts film-based material to a display rate of 72 frames per second (eliminating 3:2 pulldown where present)." http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/pioneer_elite_pro-141fd_plasma_monitor/index.html
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#320
05-02-2009, 08:17 PM
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The following new 120HZ Samsung LCD screens have been added to the list All Samsung 120HZ LCD displays that have Auto Motion Plus display 1080P/24 signals correctly using a 5:5 pulldown repeating frame method when AMP (Auto Motion Plus) is turned off. Links below will bring up the official Samsung PDF spec sheets accept for the 640 series. It appears that the Samsung 640 series is a Best Buy exclusive and the only specs I was able to find for those models was on the Best Buy website. So the 640 series links directly to the Best Buy website. The Samsung B750 series and B8000 series use AMP with 240HZ refresh rate. Before adding these displays to the list I am waiting on a review to verify that 1080p/24 signals will display at multiplies of the original frame rate when AMP is turned off. Hopefully these new 240HZ Samsungs will do a true 10:10 pulldown. I am very interested in seeing in person and reading a review on the Samsung UN55B8000 that lists for $3,999.99. The B8000 series LCD displays uses both 240HZ and LED backlighting with a 2ms response time. It would be interesting to compare the Sasmung UN55B8000 display with a Pioneer Kuro and a Sony XBR8 display when it comes to real world picture quality performance. In theory the UN55B8000 might be the best quality Samsung display yet. Samsung LN-40B610 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-46B610 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-52B610 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-40B630 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-32B640 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-40B640 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-46B640 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-55B640 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-32B650 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-37B650 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-40B650 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off) Samsung LN-46B650 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Auto Motion Plus (AMP) is turned off)
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#321
05-13-2009, 09:59 PM
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The Sanyo PLV-Z3000 LCD Front Projector refresh rate for 1080p/24 has been changed to 4:4 pulldown 96HZ The Sanyo projector will still remain on the list since it is my understanding that the projector will do 4:4 pulldown 96HZ when smooth motion is turned off and when a 1080p/24 signal is received. Originally the Sanyo PLV-Z3000 was placed on the list since the press release mentioned the 5:5 pulldown feature with 24fps sources and the specs mentioned 1080p/24 input feature. Click the following link for more information on why this projector was placed on the list http://forums.highdefdigest.com/1204268-post225.html On pages 40-42 of the Home Theater magazine is a review on the Sanyo PLV-Z3000 Front Projector. The 5:5 pulldown feature on this projector does not work with 1080p/24 sources. In order to use the 5:5 pulldown feature you have to be watching a film based source that contains 3:2 pulldown and then the Sanyo projector if it detects 3:2 pulldown will attempt to do a reverse 3:2 pulldown. When the Sanyo projector is able to detect 3:2 pulldown and convert the signal to 24fps then it will do a 5:5 pulldown at 120HZ. The disappointing thing is that the Sanyo projector will not allow one to use 1080p/24 signals from BLU-RAY players with the 5:5 pulldown feature. The purpose of having 1080p/24 input capable display is to bypass the 3:2 pulldown process completely. This is the first time that a display with 5:5 pulldown was designed to not work with 1080p/24 sources. I am surprised Sanyo did not offer this important feature. When smooth motion is turned on and a 1080p/24 signal is received, the Sanyo processing will first repeat the frames to 48HZ and then use interpolation of new frames to reach 96HZ with the negative effect of making film-based sources look like video. How to get 4:4 pulldown 1080p/24 to work: It is my understanding from the review that if one turns off the Smooth motion feature there will be no interpolation of new frames on the Sanyo PLV-Z3000 and the Sanyo will do a true 4:4 pulldown 96HZ when a 1080p/24 signal is received. Quotes from page 40 and 41 of the June 2009 Home Theater magazine review "Sanyo's Smooth Motion is similar to 120-hertz feature that many HDTVs offer, but it's also different. When it's on, with a 24-frame-per-second (fps) input, the projector displays two repeated frames interleaved with two interpolated frames for a 96-fps (or Hz) frame rate. With a 60-fps source display rate, it interpolates one added frame to each real frame for a 120-fps display rate. With Smooth Motion off, there is no interpolation, and the display simply repeats the additional frames." "The PLV-Z3000 also includes a 5:5 pulldown feature, but it doesn't operate as you might expect. It does not function with a 1080p/24 source; it only works with sources that have 3:2 pulldown." "You can't use 5:5 pulldown and Smooth Motion together. If you select both, 5:5 takes precedence." "Smooth Motion reduced motion lag a little, and as is typical of motion interpolation, it made film based sources look like video." Web link to original article http://hometheatermag.com/frontproje...lcd_projector/ Last edited by HDTV1080P : 05-19-2009 at 02:33 PM. Reason: added web link that was just published online
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#322
05-14-2009, 03:46 AM
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Two new JVC Front Projectors have been added to the list JVC DLA-HD750 (96Hz refresh rate for 1080p/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ JVC DLA-HD350 (96Hz refresh rate for 1080p/24) 60HZ sources are refreshed at 120HZ Reference pages 38,39, 40,41,42,44, 45, 46, 48,49, and 50 in the June 2009 Home Theater magazine. Quote from page 39 "They all accept a 24-fps input and display it at 96 fps (a refresh rate of 96 hertz)." The Sony VPL-VW70 SXRD Front Projector beats the JVC DLA-HD350 in overall picture quality Last year JVC LCOS Front Projectors had a better picture quality when compared to the Sony LCOS Front Projectors. This year in the June 2009 Home Theater magazine the Sony VPL-VW70 was compared to the JVC DLA-HD350. The Sony has a better overall picture quality with deeper blacks when compared directly with the JVC. To be fair the Sony VPL-VW70 lists for $8,000 and the JVC DLA-HD350 is only $4,500. A more fair comparison would have been for Home Theater magazine to compare the JVC DLA-HD750 that lists for $7,500 to the Sony VPL-VW70 that lists for $8,000. Quotes regarding the comparison between the Sony VPL-VW70 and JVC DLA-HD350 "None of these projectors is a single-chip DLP model, so the color separation artifacts -rainbows -that are occasionally visible with such designs are not a factor here." (quote from page 39) "The only thing I had left to do was compare the Sony to the JVC DLA-HD350. Both projectors performed beautifully with essentially equal resolution on the smaller and larger screens. Interestingly, the Sony appeared to have more pop in bright scenes, even with the JVC's higher brightness. But when I tweaked the gamma settings on the JVC a bit, this difference changed from obvious to subtle. The JVC's blacks were a hair less deep than the Sony's, but this was hard to spot on most material and not obvious even on the most challenging sources. Both projectors had good shadow detail, but JVC had more punch in dark, low-contrast scenes. The Sony clearly had better color, but the differences in flesh-tones, in particular, were much less obvious than expected given the measurments." (quote from page 50) "The Sony has the deepest blacks and an image that often pops and comes alive a little more than the others." (quote from page 50)
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#323
05-14-2009, 05:53 AM
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DreamBee 2 Front Projector has been added to the list The Dream'E Front Projector will not be added to the list According to Dreamvision the DreamBee 2 refreshes 1080p/24 signals at 72Hz. This projector has been added to the list. The DreamE' will not be added to the list since 3:2 pulldown is added and the 1080p/24 signal is refreshed on the screen at 60HZ. Here is the email I received from Dream Vision. List has been updated "Dear Sir, The Dream’E will output a 1080p24 signal to the screen at 60Hz refresh rate and the DreamBee 2 at 72Hz. Kindest regards. -- Vladimir Wang-Wah Dreamvision - T.E.C. SA 7, Rue La Caille 75017 Paris Tel: +33 (0) 1 42 29 44 44 fax: +33 (0) 1 42 29 09 10 Mail: vwang@dreamvision.net" Original email I sent "Hello, When feeding a 1080P/24 signal input to the Dream 'E and Dream Bee 2 projectors what refresh rate does the projectors display the 1080P/24 material? Thanks for your time."
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#324
05-21-2009, 01:42 AM
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just wondering about Panasonic PT-AE3000t?
anybody any test yet? cheers
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#325
05-21-2009, 03:16 PM
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Quote from Home Theater review " Panasonic is the only manufacturer in this group that includes a frame-creation option. If you’ve looked at flat-panel displays lately, you’ve noticed that the big craze is 120-hertz refresh rates. A 120-Hz display normally shows a single frame multiple times or uses other video processing. Panasonic gives you two options with its frame-creation option. Mode 1 interpolates one single frame between each frame, and Mode 2 interpolates three frames. This isn’t frame doubling or tripling; it literally creates a completely new frame (or three)." "This process has several effects on the video image. Since you’re creating new frames, pans have more detail and will appear smoother. This gives film images a smoother look, with motion that you may or may not like. I liken the look to daytime soap operas. It replaces the judder of 24-fps material with a much smoother (although, in my opinion, unnatural) look. I turned it off after I tested it with several different clips." http://hometheatermag.com/frontprojectors/panasonic_pt-ae3000u_lcd_projector/index1.html
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#326
05-29-2009, 05:47 AM
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The following LG models have been moved to list 4 which is the discontinued 1080p/24 displays LCD with LED backlighting (flat panel) LCD (flat panel)
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#327
05-29-2009, 05:49 AM
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LG's entire 2009 line of LCD displays all properly display 24fps at multiplies of the original frame rate I have never been a big fan of LG products but every year LG keeps improving its picture quality and overall product quality. Many of the LG displays now have passed Simplay Labs certification process for HDCP compatibility when connecting HDCP devices with a HDMI cable. A complete list of brands and models that have passed this important certification test can be found at the following link http://www.simplayhd.com/consumers/verified_products.aspx According to several 2008 reviews, Sony and Samsung have the best picture quality compared to the old 2008 LG LCD screens (New 2009 models have not been professionally reviewed yet). LG use to be considered a lower quality brand by some people since the picture quality and features were not as good as some other brands. LG is now considered a medium quality TV manufactory when it comes to picture quality and features, every year LG LCD displays keep getting better and better in terms of quality. VIZIO is currently the number one manufactory in LCD screen sells because of their low price. For those looking for low cost LCD screens one might consider spending a little more money and getting a LG LCD display which is a lot better quality compared to a VIZIO brand. VIZIO does not make any LCD screens yet that displays 1080p/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate. Also I have read many professional reviews where the 60HZ VIZIO display will not accept a 1080p/24 signal from any standalone BLU-RAY player accept for the Playstation 3 do to a technical issue with the VIZIO display. VIZIO does not spend the money to get their products Simplay HD certified. If one purchases any brand or model of display that is Simplay Labs HD certified and then connects it to a standalone BLU-RAY player that has also been Simplay HD certified, the HDMI connection is guaranteed to work (LG has some models that have passed testing and are Simplay HD Certified). Even if the BLU-RAY player or other HDMI device is not Simplay certified most of the time the product will still work with a LG display or other display that uses HDMI version 1.3 or higher (older versions of HDMI had more compatiblity HDCP handshaking issues). In the past a lot of various brands and models of HDMI consumer electronic products from several companies would have HDCP handshacking compatiblity issues because of poor quality control in the hardware and/or software design. With HDMI version 1.3 or higher and with Simplay Lab HD certification process those problems are no longer a major issue for consumers. According to the LG spec sheets and instruction manuals all 720P and 1080P 2009 LG LCD models have the option in the menu to properly display 24fps without the 3:2 pulldown judder process. (All LG plasma screens are still 60HZ with 3:2 pulldown). The list is made up of only true 1080P displays but it is nice to know that even the bottom of the line cheapest 720P LG 19LF10 with a list price of $350 will accept a 1080p/24 signal and refresh it on the screen at 720P at 48HZ (2:2 pulldown) when Real Cinema is turned on. Another interesting thing to mention is that there are now two LG displays for under $1,000 that properly displays 1080p/24 signals just like a film projector in the theater does. The 48HZ LG 32LH30 has a list price of $850 and the 120HZ LG 32LH40 has a list price of $950. To my knowledge this is the first time that a display with a list price of under $1,000 has appear on the list. Details on how to turn on the true multiplies of the original frame rate method on LG products 48 HZ LG displays: If the LG LCD product has only Real Cinema without TruMotion then the display is both a 60HZ and 48HZ LCD display. If Real Cinema is off in the menu and a 1080p/24 signal received by the LG then the display adds 3:2 pulldown judder and converts the signal to 60HZ. If the Real Cinema feature is turned on in the display, according to the spec sheet and instruction manual the LG display will do a true 48HZ 2:2 pulldown when it receives a 1080p/24 signal. Reference: 1. The 48HZ 2:2 pulldown feature is listed in the LG spec sheets under "24p Real Cinema"for all 48HZ models on the list. 2. On page 76 of the LG manual it mentions 48 fps when using the Real Cinema feature. Quote from LG manual "Makes video clips recorded in film look more natural by eliminating judder effect." Click the following link to download manual http://www.lge.com/us/tv-audio-video/televisions/LG-lcd-tv-42LH40.jsp# 120 HZ and 240 HZ LG displays: For all the new 2009 LG 240HZ and 120HZ LCD models when the TruMotion feature is turned off and Real Cinema is turned on the display will do a true 5:5 pulldown at 120HZ when a 1080p/24 signal is received. According to the LG spec sheets for every LG 240HZ display the 240HZ feature only works for normal TV viewing with 60HZ sources. The LG 240HZ spec sheets clearly lists 5:5 pulldown only for "24p Real Cinema". 5:5 pulldown always means 120HZ at multiplies of the original frame rate. In the past I have seen errors in LG spec sheets and manuals when it comes to the 1080p/24 feature and how it works. I am waiting for a professional review to make sure this is not another LG misprint. So according to all the 240HZ LG spec sheets the display is really only 120HZ 5:5 pulldown when a 1080p/24 signal is received. Reference: 1. The 120HZ 5:5 pulldown feature is listed in the LG spec sheets under "24p Real Cinema"for all 240HZ and 120HZ models on the list. 2. On page 76 of the LG manual it mentions 120 fps when using the Real Cinema feature. Quote from LG manual "Makes video clips recorded in film look more natural by eliminating judder effect." Click the following link to download manual http://www.lge.com/us/tv-audio-video/televisions/LG-lcd-tv-42LH40.jsp# Warning about LG LCD burn in issue: I was very surprised to hear that LG LCD screens have burn in issues just like plasma screens. In general the selling feature of LCD screens was that they did not have the burn in problems that plasma screens have. On page 8 of the LG manual it warns people to not display a fixed image on a LCD screen for 2 hours or more (Only 1 hour or more for LG plasmas). I am not aware of any other LCD manufactory that warns against LCD burn in issues. Click the following link to download manual (see page 8) http://www.lge.com/us/tv-audio-video/televisions/LG-lcd-tv-42LH40.jsp# 22 NEW 2009 LG models have been added to the list LCD with LED backlighting (flat panel) Standard LCD (flat panel) LG 32LH40 (1080P/24 correctly refreshed at 120HZ when Truemotion is off and Real Cinema is on) Last edited by HDTV1080P : 06-07-2009 at 09:50 PM. Reason: ADDED WEB LINK TO THE LG 55LH55 MODEL
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#328
05-29-2009, 05:49 AM
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Marantz VP-11S2 DLP Front Projector (May 2009 review link) This high-end DLP Front projector properly displays 1080P/24 signals at 48HZ and has been on the list for several months. It costs $18,000 for a long throw lens and $15,000 with a short throw lens. Quotes: "The VP-11S2 accepts all NTSC and ATSC video signals, including 1080p/24, with no issues at all. With a 24p signal, the unit displays the signal at 48 hertz, which eliminates the judder that’s commonly associated with the 2:3 pulldown process used for 60p." "Conclusion Marantz has lowered the price of its flagship design, but its made clear improvements in its overall performance. The level of detail the VP-11S2 delivered was staggering; you’d be hard-pressed to find better shadow detail anywhere. Although Marantz needs to put some refinement into its accuracy for both color and clipping, it will still be tough to find a better image out there." This May 2009 review at UltimateAVmag.com is almost identical to the December 2008 Home Theater magazine review link that currently is on the list since the review is written by the exact same author. May 2009 review link http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/marantz_vp-11s2_dlp_projector/index1.html December 2008 review link http://hometheatermag.com/frontprojectors/marantz_vp-11s2_dlp_projector/index1.html
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#329
05-29-2009, 05:50 AM
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** Important Update to the Main List ** The main purpose of this list is to provide an easy to use reference tool for those interested in purchasing a new 1080P display that offers true film quality 1080P/24 refresh rates. Since the amount of LCD and LCD with LED backlighting displays are growing in popularity I have created 4 separate lists so that there will be plenty of room for future expansion of those two growing categories. List number 1: List number one will continue to list current in production Front Projectors and Plasma Screens. The current in production true 1080p/24 plasma screens was greatly reduced in early 2009 when Pioneer and Hitachi exited the plasma screen business. It appears that long term 240HZ LCD with LED backlighting screens might one day replace plasma screens in several years. Front Projectors are also not as popular as they use to be. With the new lower prices of 1080P flat panel LCD screens under $1,000 the demand for Front Projectors is less. If one has a dedicated dark Home Theater room there is still nothing that beats a Front Projector for overall movie experience when the picture is between 80 to 200+ inches. List number 2: Contains all current in production LCD with LED backlighting flat panel displays that properly display 1080p/24. This category is rapidly growing as a popular alternative to plasma screens. List number 3: Contains all current in production standard LCD flat panel displays. The amount of true 1080P/24 LCD flat panel screens is rapidly growing. List number 4: Contains all the discontinued 1080P/24 displays. This list includes any type of display technology. Remember these 4 lists are not 100% accurate and items can be removed or added as more information is learned about a display. The most accurate displays on the list will be the ones that have professional reviews written when the link is clicked on. Last edited by HDTV1080P : 05-29-2009 at 06:39 AM.
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#330
06-04-2009, 09:45 PM
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Pioneer KRP-500M and KRP-600M 1080P plasma Flat Panels (Have been added to the discontinued 1080p/24 list) I should have had these Pioneer models on the list back in the 1st quarter of 2009. What happen is that I thought the KRP-500M and KRP-600M were exclusive to Pioneer Europe since they are very hard to locate on the Pioneer USA website. The Pioneer USA website does not have the KRP-500M or KRP-600M models listed with the other Kuro models, one has to manually search for the models on the USA Pioneer website. Many people I have talked with do not even know these Kuro models exist. You will not find these models in major retail stores like Best Buy and non of the magazines or websites that write professional reviews have even mentioned these models. According to Engaged the KRP-500M and KRP-600M were part of a limited run of only 3,000 in the United States. They are currently out of production as of April 11th 2009 along with all the other Pioneer screens. http://www.engadget.com/tag/KRP-500M/ Interesting note: The KRP-500M and KRP-600M US versions were assembled in the USA and have minor differences when compared to the Europe version of the KRP-500M and KRP-600M. The European version has 2 component inputs compared to only 1 component input for the US version. The Europe version also is ISF Calibration Ready. What even gets more confusing is in Europe there is a KRP-500A and KRP-600A models. The KRP-500A and KRP-600A were never released in the United States. Those are Europe models with 4 HDMI inputs and withTV tuners. Since in the US this KRP-500M and KRP-600M only had a limited run of around 3,000 or so, it is harder to find a dealer that has them in stock. Since there were very little made most likely no professional US review will be written by the major websites like Widescreen Review and Home Theater magazine. According to the Pioneer spec sheets, the KRP-500M and KRP-600M just like all other 1080P Pioneer plasmas properly display 1080P/24 signals at 72HZ. Comparisons and features of the USA version of the KRP-500M and KRP-600M The 50 inch KRP-500M and 60 inch KRP-600M are exactly the same quality with the only difference between the two models being picture size, weight, and dimensions. The KRP-500M and KRP-600M have a one year warranty instead of 2 year since they are not Elite displays. The KRP-500M and KRP-600M are lower quality with less features when compared to the Elite Signature series. The KRP-500M and KRP-600M only have 2 HDMI inputs, lack ISFccc calibration and some of the advanced picture settings found on the Elite Signature series. Elite Signature series has hand inspected and certified parts for the highest possible quality. Important Note: Just like the Pioneer Elite Signature series monitors the KRP-500M and KRP-600M monitors are not for the average consumer. To keep cost low there is no tuners, speakers, or table top stand included. One needs a external ATSC HD tuner, cable box, or satellite receiver to watch TV programming. A wall mount or table top stand is also required to be purchased. One advantage of the KRP-500M and KRP-600M that the Elite Signature series monitors lacks, is the ability to attach optional Pioneer speakers. The KRP-500M and KRP-600M have a 9 watt + 9 watt Stereo Digital amplifier that receives audio from the HDMI connection, RCA audio in, and Stereo mini jack. When the optional side speakers are attached the sound quality is comparable to the non Elite Kuro TV's like the PDP-5020FD and PDP-6020FD (One of my sources informed me that the Elite speakers sounds better but cannot be attached to the M series monitors since the speakers require more power then 9 watts and cosmetically it will not fit). The Elite Signature series requires a stereo system or surround system since there is no audio amp built in and no way to attach side speakers. The KRP-500M and KRP-600M advantages are in its price. Currently one can purchase the 50 inch KRP-500M for under $2,000 http://www.calibex.com/kr  _500m/zzcalibex2zB1z0--search-htmlCurrently one can purchase the 60 inch KRP-600M for under $3,500 http://www.butterflyphoto.com/prodinfo.phtml?id=7790&ref=nextag The KRP-500M and KRP-600M are similar cosmetically to the Elite Signature series. They have the Ultra-Thin Cosmetic Design at just 2.5 inches deep (Back in late 2008 that was considered to be thin, before Pioneer decided to exit the plasma business they did have on the drawing board a 10th generation plasma that was only around 1 inch thick, of course we will never see that design now). Just like the Elite Signature series the legacy 480I S-Video jack was dropped as a cost cutting measure on the M series monitors. Here is the spec sheets on the KRP-500M and KRP-600M monitors Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M 50” Plasma (72HZ) Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M 60” Plasma (72HZ) Owner's Manual (Manual is for both KRP-500M and KRP-600M) KRP-500M required items (click links for more details) KRP-WM02 Ultra Slim Profile Wall Mount ($200 list price) KRP-TS02 Tabletop Stand ($200 list price, Pioneer calls it a 60 inch by error, it really is for the 50 inch model) KRP-S04 Speakers (These speakers are only required for those that do not own a stereo system or surround system) KRP-600M required items (click links for more details) KRP-WM01 Ultra Slim Profile Wall Mount ($350 list price) KRP-TS01 Tabletop Stand ($400 list price) KRP-S02 Speakers (These speakers are only required for those that do not own a stereo system or surround system) Last edited by HDTV1080P : 06-04-2009 at 10:02 PM.
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