Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate

[ExtremeGamer]

I just ordered this TV and should have it by the end of the week or early next week.

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/nav...=5&item=393430

It's 120hz as well. I've seen it in motion and was very impressed.

They reviewed a similar model on Cnet, but not the exact one and I've never found anything really on this TV. LOL

Just wanted to add another 120hz set to the mix.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by ExtremeGamer

I just ordered this TV and should have it by the end of the week or early next week.

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/nav...=5&item=393430

It's 120hz as well. I've seen it in motion and was very impressed.

They reviewed a similar model on Cnet, but not the exact one and I've never found anything really on this TV. LOL

Just wanted to add another 120hz set to the mix.

This Philips display might not offer true 5:5 pulldown at multiplies of the original frame. There are a lot of 120HZ displays on the market that interpolate new frames and also use a 3:2 pulldown process.
If a professional review is released that shows that Philips 120HZ displays bypass the 3:2 pulldown process and offer true 5:5 pulldown then I will add the Philips to the list.

[HDTV1080P]

The Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080 UB and the Epson PowerLite Pro Cinema 1080UB front projectors have been added to the list

Warning be careful when looking at the model numbers for the Epson front projectors

The older Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080 without the UB at the end and the Epson PowerLite Pro Cinema 1080 without the UB at the end display 1080P/24 at 60HZ. The new models that came out that have a UB at the end stand for Ultra black and have a better contrast ratio with a 48HZ refresh rate. I wish when new models are released that the name or the model number would completely change. Seeing a UB at the end of a long product name can be missed. There have not been any official reviews on these new projectors that mentions the 48HZ refresh rate but the manufactories instruction manual clearly mentions it.

Quote from page 38 of both Epson manuals
“2-2 Pull-down” “This setting will not be selectable if your DVD player does not support this mode. This mode applies only when a 24fps (frame per second) 1080P signal is being input into Component, HDMI1, or HDMI2."

Reference links
PowerLite Home Cinema 1080 UB (page 38)
http://www.aboutprojectors.com/pdf/epson-powerlite-home-cinema-1080-ub-manual.pdf

PowerLite Pro Cinema 1080 UB (page 38)
http://www.aboutprojectors.com/pdf/epson-powerlite-pro-cinema-1080-ub-manual.pdf

[HDTV1080P]

The Sharp LC-42D64U, LC-46D64U, and LC-52D64U have been added to the list

Warning this is a complicated issue and only certain serial numbers with firmware versions qualifies to be on the list

The Sharp LC-42D64U, LC-46D64U, and LC-52D64U all share the exact same instruction manual and the only difference between the 3 models is weight, physical dimensions, and power consumption. According to Sharp Aquos electronics engineering department the 64U series original only displayed 1080P/24 at 60HZ refresh rate. Then later on Sharp made hardware and software changes with the 64U series that allows the display to handle 24fps using the multiplies of the original frame method (48HZ).
If you are looking for a Sharp 64U series that refreshes 1080P/24 at 48HZ then you will need to make sure that the serial number on the box or the unit begins with the letter C or above (i.e. D, E, etc). Also the firmware in the display needs to have the letter S rather then U. U was used in the 60HZ models. Aquos support mentioned that older 64U displays can not be upgraded since the older sets hardware only supports 60HZ refresh rates and Sharp is not offering any hardware upgrades.

Source of information on the Sharp 64U series can be found at this link
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13423900&postcount=142

There are also rumors that some Samsung 120HZ displays may require a firmware upgrade to bypass the 3:2 pulldown process. I have not verified if that rumor is true.

[HDTV1080P]

New review on the Pioneer Elite PRO-110FD Plasma TV mentions that the Kuro line by far are the best plasma screens on the planet earth

Quote
“There's no doubt about it—Pioneer's Kuro TVs are far and away the best plasmas on planet.”

All other brands of flat panels that offer true 1080P/24 refresh rates the motion feature needs to be turned off or some other setting needs to be made for 1080P/24 to be displayed properly. With the Pioneer it will always display 1080P/24 at 72HZ automatically regardless of any setting in the display. When a 1080P/24 signal is applied all smooth motion features in Pure Cinema or other settings in Pure Cinema are automatically bypassed to give a native film like image on the screen.


Some positive quotes from review


“All Pioneer TVs share a rare and important feature—the ability to display 1080p/24 at 72Hz, repeating each frame three times. This avoids 3:2 pulldown altogether and results in much smoother motion on film-based material.”

“Colors were likewise gorgeous, especially the deep blue sky, green forest, brown caribou, gray elephants, and flaming reds and oranges of fall foliage. I was very impressed with the TV's artful rendition of subtle variations of white in the polar regions.”

Some Negatives (No display is perfect)

The Pioneer Kuro is more expensive then most Plasma screens (Higher quality products most the time cost more)

This small bug was recently found in the Pioneer PRO-110FD that will hopefully be corrected with a firmware update

Quote
“A Pioneer spokesperson confirmed that I had uncovered what I can only call a bug in the Pure Cinema selection menu. The film modes are supposed to be unavailable for progressive signals, but if one is selected before sending such a signal, the display behaves unpredictably. Hopefully, Pioneer will correct this problem in the next generation (or maybe even this generation with a firmware update—hint, hint). Until then, if you routinely send progressive video to the display, leave the film mode off.”

Here is the review link on the 50 inch Elite where quotes are taken from
http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/308pio110fd/index.html

Here is an older review on the 60 inch Elite model
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2233915,00.asp

[Rino13]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

There are many ceiling mounted DLP Front projectors on the list that correctly display 1080P/24 at multiplies of the original frame. Now if your looking for a rear projector DLP so far I do not know of any that correctly display 1080P/24.All the reviews so far mention they are using a 3:2 pulldown process.

Thought The Mitsubishi 833 Diamond Series DLPs 120hz do it. I just purchased one and running it with my Elite BD95 at 1080P/24 with np . Not sure why its not making your list, and read several posts that stated that it does do it. Hope I am not wrong since i just bought this TV....lol

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Rino13

Thought The Mitsubishi 833 Diamond Series DLPs 120hz do it. I just purchased one and running it with my Elite BD95 at 1080P/24 with np . Not sure why its not making your list, and read several posts that stated that it does do it. Hope I am not wrong since i just bought this TV....lol

I do not know for sure about the Mit 833 Diamond series since I have not seen a professional review yet mentioning that feature. I have posted many times with professional review links that so far have all mentioned the Mit LCD and DLP rear projectors use a 3:2 pulldown process which means there is no benfit to using 1080P/24 over 1080P/60 when a 3:2 pulldown proves is used.
If you are happy with your display you should keep it. To some people they feel the true 1080P/24 feature is a minor feature that only reduces some camera pan judder and make the image look more like film versus a video look.

[Rino13]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I do not know for sure about the Mit 833 Diamond series since I have not seen a professional review yet mentioning that feature. I have posted many times with professional review links that so far have all mentioned the Mit LCD and DLP rear projectors use a 3:2 pulldown process which means there is no benfit to using 1080P/24 over 1080P/60 when a 3:2 pulldown proves is used.
If you are happy with your display you should keep it. To some people they feel the true 1080P/24 feature is a minor feature that only reduces some camera pan judder and make the image look more like film versus a video look.

I am gonna keep the TV, The picture is outstanding on this set cant wait to get it ISF calibrated and its the biggest rear RPJ DLP out there. Would be cool tho if the 24 hz worked right on, it It is one the reasons I considered a new 1080p set over my old 720p Elite CRT RPJ.

[HDTV1080P]

It is not 100% clear but it sounds like in 2008 Mitsubishi might start offering true 1080P/24 LCD flat panels and DLP rear projectors that bypass the 3:2 pulldown process.

These new models mentioned in the article have not been added to the list yet since I am not 100% clear if they bypass the 3:2 pulldown process.

Quote
“The 120Hz frame-rate technology also has been improved this year with “de-judder” techniques to smooth out motion in images.”

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6548345.html?desc=topstory

[HDTV1080P]

The Panasonic TH-58PZ750U will not be added to the list

Here is the latest review from Home Theater magazine on the Panasonic TH-58PZ750U. This Panasonic converts 1080P/24 material to 60HZ using a 3:2 pulldown process.

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“It will not, however, properly display a 1080p/24 image.”

http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/508apana58pz/index.html

[HDTV1080P]

The professional review link for the Sony KDL-52XBR5 and KDL-52XBR4 has been updated on the main page with the new April 2008 review of the KDL-52XBR4 (True 5:5 pulldown feature)

When motionflow (Motion Enhancher) is turned off the Sony XBR4 and XBR5 line will perform a true 5:5 pulldown when a 1080P/24 signal is applied.

Quote
“If Motionflow is turned off, the set simply repeats each frame two or five times, depending on the rate of the source signal.”

The differences between the XBR4 and XBR5
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“Many people ask me about the difference between the XBR4 and XBR5 lines. They are basically identical, with just four minor variations. The XBR5 has a fixed gloss-black bezel, while the XBR4's silver-gray bezel can be replaced with other colors if you purchase an optional kit. The XBR5 also comes with an RS-232 remote-control jack, a longer warranty (18 vs. 12 months), and a $300 premium over the same-size XBR4.”

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/408sonykdl52/index.html

[HDTV1080P]

There needs to be more Simplay HD certified consumer electronics displays and equipment

Over the years I have seen HDCP compatibility problems between HD displays and HD equipment that use the HDMI and DVI connection. Most of the time firmware updates to the troubled device does not work to solve these issues and the problem is with the actual hardware. I have seen people purchase expensive 1080P displays and are forced to use the component video inputs since HDCP and other handshaking problems occur between the display and the HD cable box or HD player. Sometimes the problem is with the display other times it is the device being connected to the display.
The easiest way to avoid this problem is to purchase displays and products that have been Simplay HD certified. Simplay HD is an extensive testing program that makes sure products that use HDMI and DVI with HDCP are working correctly. Currently very few consumer electronics products have passed Simplay HD testing. The Pioneer Kuro’s all have passed Simplay HD testing and were rewarded with the Simplay HD logo.

For more information about Simplay HD testing program see the following link

http://www.siliconimage.com/simplayhd.aspx

[HDTV1080P]

New April 2008 review on the Pioneer KURO PRO-150FD Plasma HDTV

Highlights from the review

Automatically refreshes 1080P/24 material correctly at 1080P/72 all the time regardless of menu settings
Quote
“If the program material is already at 1080p/24, however, conversion to a display frame rate of 72 fps (using repeated frames, not interpolation) takes place automatically, regardless of the setting of the PureCinema control. “

Quote
“How does the best one-piece digital display we’ve ever tested, flat panel or otherwise, sound? It’s a display with an image so compelling that you might even consider it in preference to a comparably priced projector and screen, despite the bigger, more theater-like, immersive experience a projector can provide.
Pioneer worked feverishly to improve the black levels on its already impressive plasma displays. Project KURO—Pioneer’s name for its own development program—has produced truly jaw-dropping results. “
Quote
“Based on Pioneer’s track record and some of the advanced technology the company displayed at last January’s CES, I would not be surprised if its upcoming line of next-generation KURO displays, due later this year, is even better than the current one. But in the here and now, if there’s a better-looking, more impressive video display on the market than the PRO-150FD, I’m not aware of it. That includes not only one-piece televisions, but any projector I’ve reviewed—although a separate projector and screen can still provide the sort of immersive, theater-like experience that no 60-inch television can claim.”
“As with the other recent Pioneer models I reviewed for UltimateAVmag.com, a good share of the credit for the performance of this set is due to its stunning black level and excellent shadow detail.”
Link to the Home Theater review were quotes are taken from
http://hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/508piok150/index.html

[HDTV1080P]

New Review on the Panasonic PT-AE2000U LCD Front Projector confirms 96HZ refresh rate

The list has been updated to show 96HZ refresh and a hyperlink to the home theater review.

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“The PT-AE2000U will accept a 1080p/24 source. It adds three repeated (not interpolated) frames to each original frame for a display frame rate of 96 frames per second.”

One positive of this projector is that it is under $3500 list price.


The JVC LCOS front projectors that costs a lot more have better black levels then the Panasonic.

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“But that’s not to say it has better blacks than some of its competition. Really dark scenes look better on, say, either of JVC’s current projectors (the DLA-HD1 and the DLA-HD100, plus their DLA-RS1 and DLA-RS2 clones), neither of which uses a dynamic iris of any sort, or the Sony VPL-VW60, which does. But these LCOS designs cost multiples of the Panasonic’s price. While the PT-AE2000U doesn’t quite escape a mild case of the gray fog that has relegated most LCD home projectors to the budget category, it was rare and limited to the darkest scenes, such as the opening below-deck sequence in Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World. The Panasonic performed respectably here; it just didn’t knock me out the way a (very) few other projectors can.”

Link to Home Theater review where quotes are taken from:
http://hometheatermag.com/frontprojectors/608pana2000u/index1.html

[macachia]

Apparently the 'old' Pioneer PDP-5000EX is also 1080p/24 compatible? Is there any truth to this?