2010 Blu-ray Sales Metrics Stats: Nielsen/Videoscan/HMM Charts/Ratios/Bestsellers Etc

[chipvideo]

And you guys try and pretend that the studios don't care about how poor digital is performing. It all matters. At the end of the day it is digital and OD. And neither Blu-Ray nor digital can make up the declines for DVD, but honestly, even the studios expected as much I am sure this year.

They havent even started marketing it yet Ack. Gosh the massive conglomerate of tech companies are investing in the infrastructure as we speak. They kind of have to get everything in place before marketing starts dont you think? That is just the biggest red herring of all time on here. Deflecting it to digital and blaming digital for doing poor before it is even marketed heavily by the big four tech giants.

[chipvideo]

It is shocking in one thread how amazing AppleTV's are selling than in another digital does not matter...

It is amazing. Two differnt threads started by two different people with different ideas. Who would of thought? BTW it wasnt me. I dont like appletv. I also dont like downloads. I have unlimited physical to watch.

[Rob71]

They havent even started marketing it yet Ack. Gosh the massive conglomerate of tech companies are investing in the infrastructure as we speak. They kind of have to get everything in place before marketing starts dont you think? That is just the biggest red herring of all time on here. Deflecting it to digital and blaming digital for doing poor before it is even marketed heavily by the big four tech giants.

Umm, where have you been hiding?

[ack_bak]

They havent even started marketing it yet Ack. Gosh the massive conglomerate of tech companies are investing in the infrastructure as we speak. They kind of have to get everything in place before marketing starts dont you think? That is just the biggest red herring of all time on here. Deflecting it to digital and blaming digital for doing poor before it is even marketed heavily by the big four tech giants.

LOL. They market it just about anytime I turn on DirecTV. They constantly have ads about about how VOD offers movie in Blu-Ray quality before Netflix or Redbox. Thankfully I record almost all the shows I watch so I can skip them, bit I see the ads at least a few times an hour all day long.

Apple does not market iTunes? You have never seen iPad commercials showing the iPad playing video? You don't see links/popups all over Amazon's site marketing VOD? You have never seen Vudu or CinemaNow every advertised in a weekly flyer or in the store? It is everywhere. You are not looking.

[chipvideo]

LOL. They market it just about anytime I turn on DirecTV. They constantly have ads about about how VOD offers movie in Blu-Ray quality before Netflix or Redbox. Thankfully I record almost all the shows I watch so I can skip them, bit I see the ads at least a few times an hour all day long.

Apple does not market iTunes? You have never seen iPad commercials showing the iPad playing video? You don't see links/popups all over Amazon's site marketing VOD? You have never seen Vudu or CinemaNow every advertised in a weekly flyer or in the store? It is everywhere. You are not looking.

I dont see any heavy advertising push for digital downloads. I am not talking about VOD through cable companies. I am talking about through the net. Has csco started advertising, intc start their advertising. I dont see them advertising it. OH you mean VOD that has been on cable for years. Thats not where the big 4 are investing. Big difference.

LIke I said there has been little push yet. Wait for the studios to get on board with the big tech companies. NO deals have been made yet. They will when they have finished their buildout. It doesnt get built overnight.

BTW does the ipad or iphone stream 1080P to the tv?

[Rob71]

OMG I cant believe what rob just said. That is just sad to call me desperate when he is the one in denial. The studios dont care where the money comes from. All the investors care about is if OD is up or down. It is down.

What am I denying? You seem to have an irrational need to tie DVD to Blu-ray so you can proclaim OD is dying. I got news for you Chippy, DVD, Blu-ray, and digital combined are down. Blu-ray is still the fasted growing of the three. Sad that yours and Gizmo's bias won't allow you to admit that.

Do you actually think that if DVD dies out, Blu-ray will be dropped? If that's not what this diatribe of yours and Gizmo's is, by all means spell it out for us. Because right now you're just looking silly.

[Rob71]

I dont see any heavy advertising push for digital downloads. I am not talking about VOD through cable companies. I am talking about through the net. Has csco started advertising, intc start their advertising. I dont see them advertising it. OH you mean VOD that has been on cable for years. Thats not where the big 4 are investing. Big difference.

LIke I said there has been little push yet. Wait for the studios to get on board with the big tech companies. NO deals have been made yet. They will when they have finished their buildout. It doesnt get built overnight.

BTW does the ipad or iphone stream 1080P to the tv?

So you don't consider VOD to be part of digital? How about taking the VOD dollars out of the pot and tell me what's left.

[Elee s]

They havent even started marketing it yet Ack. Gosh the massive conglomerate of tech companies are investing in the infrastructure as we speak. They kind of have to get everything in place before marketing starts dont you think? That is just the biggest red herring of all time on here. Deflecting it to digital and blaming digital for doing poor before it is even marketed heavily by the big four tech giants.

Youre under the impression that studios are just waiting around waiting for the technology to come to then back up digital fully. Theyve had the means for years now.
Studios learned from the music industry, people just dont value downloads. I dont know where youve been but studios have been cockblocking downloads for awhile now. Their new plan will be making people buy the disc to get a digital/UV copy.

[chipvideo]

Youre under the impression that studios are just waiting around waiting for the technology to come to then back up digital fully. Theyve had the means for years now.
Studios learned from the music industry, people just dont value downloads. I dont know where youve been but studios have been cockblocking downloads for awhile now. Their new plan will be making people buy the disc to get a digital/UV copy.

As long as I can buy the disc by itself cheaper than the fully loaded digital and UV copy. To me the bd is the only thing worth anything. The rest is just fluff.

You must have missed all the news comming out lately about the big tech companies that are going to be getting into the digital download business. CSCO,INTC,MSFT,SNE. Yes even sony is going to be big on it. They just announced stuff yesterday. They are building up the infrastructer now and its not done yet. There is way more money being spent for the infrastructure for digital downloads than bd every thought about spending. Its because they know its the future. You can believe it or not. It aint going to make it stop.

Lets just agree to disagree about it then. I dont like downloads, but I am not ignorant about it either. Its just the way it goes. Its only money.

[Sbert]

As long as I can buy the disc by itself cheaper than the fully loaded digital and UV copy. To me the bd is the only thing worth anything. The rest is just fluff.

You must have missed all the news comming out lately about the big tech companies that are going to be getting into the digital download business. CSCO,INTC,MSFT,SNE. Yes even sony is going to be big on it. They just announced stuff yesterday. They are building up the infrastructer now and its not done yet. There is way more money being spent for the infrastructure for digital downloads than bd every thought about spending. Its because they know its the future. You can believe it or not. It aint going to make it stop.

Lets just agree to disagree about it then. I dont like downloads, but I am not ignorant about it either. Its just the way it goes. Its only money.

The infrastructure company wise I have to admit is probably already built on a hardware basis. I think that there might be some minor adjustments and software issues they might need to deal with but that's about it. The bigger issue is the general pipes people have to their home which is basically limited in 2 ways.

The first is the overall strength of the backbone, which would be easy to fix as long as someone was willing to pick up the tab to pick up the dark fiber.

Second will be the last 100 feet to everyone homes <- which is the rate and cost limited step.

If we are talking about SD, I think it will generally be okay, but HD is a few years off. What we are seeing right now are companies posturing and setting up like pre 2007 format war, expect deals to be made and more consolidation to occur before we see who the players will be.

[chipvideo]

The infrastructure company wise I have to admit is probably already built on a hardware basis. I think that there might be some minor adjustments and software issues they might need to deal with but that's about it. The bigger issue is the general pipes people have to their home which is basically limited in 2 ways.

The first is the overall strength of the backbone, which would be easy to fix as long as someone was willing to pick up the tab to pick up the dark fiber.

Second will be the last 100 feet to everyone homes <- which is the rate and cost limited step.

If we are talking about SD, I think it will generally be okay, but HD is a few years off. What we are seeing right now are companies posturing and setting up like pre 2007 format war, expect deals to be made and more consolidation to occur before we see who the players will be.

That is what is going to take the time, because I think there are going to be some mega billion dollar deals from a few tech giants. Also waiting on the actual hardware and security to be in place. INTC just now comming out with their new chips with gpu built in. Sony is just finally getting its backbone in place.

I am also not talking about fiber to the home. That isnt needed. Downloading is not streaming. I can download a 10gig file in 30 minutes. So a normal bd movie file would take 1-1.5 hours on average to download it. That would mean the average broadband user would be able to download it in 10-15 hours. I am sure that the encodes will be much lighter than that for most downloads.

[PSound]

LOL. They market it just about anytime I turn on DirecTV. They constantly have ads about about how VOD offers movie in Blu-Ray quality before Netflix or Redbox. Thankfully I record almost all the shows I watch so I can skip them, bit I see the ads at least a few times an hour all day long.

Apple does not market iTunes? You have never seen iPad commercials showing the iPad playing video? You don't see links/popups all over Amazon's site marketing VOD? You have never seen Vudu or CinemaNow every advertised in a weekly flyer or in the store? It is everywhere. You are not looking.

UltraViolet is the first true EST cross-industry push. See UltraViolet Called Digital Delivery `Do-Over'

Sony calls it a "Digital 'do-over'".

[ack_bak]

UltraViolet is the first true EST cross-industry push. See UltraViolet Called Digital Delivery `Do-Over'

Sony calls it a "Digital 'do-over'".

They have to do something. Clearly the current digital sell-thought models just are not cutting it. UV is definitely a step in the right direction. I will be watching it optimistically over the next year.

[PSound]

They have to do something. Clearly the current digital sell-thought models just are not cutting it. UV is definitely a step in the right direction. I will be watching it optimistically over the next year.

I am shocked that EST is as strong as it is. The experience (on any one service) is tied to a single vendor on limited devices, but still pulled in $683 million.

UltraViolet should open that up some in 2011, and see strong growth in 2012 especially if UltraViolet services are on both the PS3 and the 360.

[Bishop_99]

Doesnt matter ack. Its still digital vs physical and physical is shrinking.

I didnt try anything. Its in the headlines today about Optical disc being down for the 6th year in a row. That is the BIG PICTURE.

But in the end isn't total revenue what the studios are looking for if they don't care how Blu-ray does when compared to DVD? If digital + physical revenue still is declining doesn't it look just as bad all around?