11-23-2009 02:52 PM #31
As each PS3 is sold I am sure that the consumer is aware that it plays Blu-ray movies, but I am skeptical that they are starting a collection and buying catalog as well as new releases more often then gaming.
As far as Blu-ray's relevance for PS3's value...................less. Hence the price drop.
11-23-2009 03:05 PM #32
Existing and new PS3 owners also will react to cheaper Blu-ray movie prices and increased promotion and inventory of Blu-ray movies at their local retailers.
PS3 owners still have the most Blu-ray drives in households, so its logical to assume they are buying more Blu-ray movies and thats also effecting the Blu-ray sales figures.
11-23-2009 04:42 PM #33
I think that Blu-ray software growth is mirrored by the increase in SAL sales.
Don't misunderstand what my point is here, I know that PS3 owners buy movies, I know that new releases (certain ones anyway) gain in sales from the game console, but increased sales and hopeful catalog sales in the future are not resting on PS3's shoulders.
Your (kosty) charts show growth but that does not directly link PS3 with those sales, common sense says that increased SAL's have increased software sales.
11-23-2009 05:51 PM #34
The PS3 has contributed greatly for the mass proliferation of the format and continues to be a major factor everyone in the industry is paying attention to. Fact of the matter is - even in the future, if 3D ends up being unreservedly embraced by the content owners, the PS3 will continue to be a major factor on the market.
11-23-2009 07:56 PM #35
Until we can get some hardware sales stats its rather tough to try and correlate anything.
But I think its fair to say that all are happening at the same time and contributing to increasing Blu-ray sales. More PS3 sales. More Blu-ray player sales. Increasing purchases by both existing and new owners of both Blu-ray players and PS3s. Increasing Blu-ray purchases by existing PS3 owners and some new PS3 owners who have bought the PS3 primarily to use as a dedicated Blu-ray player.
In 2007 and 2008 a lot of PS3s were bought primarily to be used as dedicated Blu-ray players as they were the best value and future proof piece of Blu-ray hardware even at a $499 or $599 price point. As Blu-ray players got better and cheaper the PS3 declined as the best value Blu-ray player. But with a $299 price point, the PS3 value again as a pure Blu-ray player is once again increasing for many consumers and enthusiasts and the Sony message here on the PS3s multiple capabilities may very well be gaining traction.
11-23-2009 08:06 PM #36
I believe Sony is trying to catch lightening in a bottle with the PS3.
It worked for the PS2 with the arrival of DVD but with BD most of the horses are already out of the barn. Not all of the horses but most.
Trying to leverage the PS3 BD capabilities makes sense. Why not. But the timing is off - way off. From a pricing perspective.
With CE BD players already at sub $100 levels I'm not sure the PS3 $299 price point means much for BD uptake. It won't hurt but the days of a PS gaming platform being the preeminent optical disc movie platform reminds most of days gone by.
That window is already closed.
11-23-2009 09:09 PM #37
11-23-2009 10:27 PM #38
Sony gambled adding Blu-Ray into the PS3, and I believe that gamble will payoff. It (the PS3) was clearly one of the biggest, if not the biggest, reason Toshiba was forced to pull the plug on HD DVD, and I think the PS3 will be another 10 year console easy. Sony has lost a pile of money putting Blu-Ray in the PS3, but the rewards are going to really payoff, as Sony gets BD player royalties, disc royalties, manufacturers the discs, makes games and movies that go on those discs too.
I also think Nintendo and Microsoft will strongly consider adding Blu-Ray into their next console to support larger games, and give their consoles a strong media presence. Sony stands to reap piles and piles of money if that happens due to licensing and disc manufacturing.
The PS3 was the catalyst for all of this and truly is an amazing machine. I still consider it a very strong Blu-Ray player for someone looking for a complete player today (ie it will support 3D, most likely managed copy, etc).
11-23-2009 10:29 PM #39
I can't believe I'm saying this (in support of the PS3) but...the PS3 is also a good media extender for those with networked PCs.
It only does everything.©
11-23-2009 10:44 PM #40
It does continue to sell and the consumers will continue to buy new releases for the PS3 if the funding is not taken by the next big video game.
To attribute continued growth of software to mainly the PS3 is naive at best. With different genres grabbing a bigger share of the software sales pie, then that points to SAL being sold to a wider variety of consumer who enjoy a wider variety of movies and maybe people who collect and enjoy MOVIES not GAMES
11-24-2009 12:00 AM #41
You are arguing that the increase in software sales mirrors the increase in SA sales. However, I am not aware of an industry report showing that the increase of software sales isn't fueled by the strong PS3 sales we've witnessed recently.
Additionally, no one is arguing that the increase of software sales should be attributed to mainly the PS3; I certainly am not.
What I am arguing is the same point I argued a couple of months ago when a thread in this forum questioned whether or not the PS3 slim price cut would have an impact on the software market - the answer, I believe, is obvious. What isn't entirely clear now is what is the actual breakdown between PS3 and SA sales and how software sales are impacted.
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11-24-2009 01:38 AM #43
SAL sales increased, software sales increase, PS3 sales remain relatively same as last year.
Blu-ray sales show increased sales in different genres of movies that are not
"PS3 orientated" and the explosive sales of Call of Duty show that gamers are buying, just seems to be games.
Just ask Kosty about Up. GREAT week and there was no explosions or Megan Fox!!
Increased PS3 sales could mean more netflix subscriptions, or more facebook accounts, but we will never know, just guesstimate.
That was my point, I believe the same as yours.
11-24-2009 04:14 AM #44Member
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SAL's are cheaper than a PS3 and if you want to watch Blu movies, then you will get a SAL and NOT a PS3, if you want to play games, you already own a PS3 or XBOX and watching movies is not the system seller.
Why wouldn't they be advertising or creating software/hardware bundles with COD. Huge selling game that would sell systems.
11-24-2009 08:14 AM #45
The advantage of directing Blu-ray promotion at PS3 owners is a lot of them are dormant or low volume Blu-ray users at the moment so there is a lot of untapped potential there. So this kind of promotion of the PS 3 as a Blu-ray player not only promotes new owners to buy one but it has the bonus of of promoting Blu-ray usage among existing PS3 owners.
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