Blu-ray Fumbles Chance In HDTV DVD War

[Aodh]

The title speaks volume about the author ...clueless.

When you're trying to connect Blu-ray and HD DVD and make it relevant to an audience who may not fully know about the two formats, saying HDTV DVD is pretty descriptive. If HD DVD were called anything else, it and Blu-ray would probably be called the HD DVD formats, but since it's utilizing the name, they have to think of other ways to describe it.

[jadedeath]

seems like fox/mgm aren't buying into br

Seems like Sony owns MGM.

Logan

[polyh3dron]

Seems like Sony owns MGM.

Logan

Fox is MGM's home video distributor.

Sony is part of a consortium of companies that purchased MGM, but they don't *own* MGM outright.

MGM on Wikipedia

[Volume 11]

Why do all the BD supporters use Bill O' Reilly tactics when they see an article they dont like?

Its pretty immature to discredit someone who wrote a fine article that made lots of good points because it doesnt favor your format.

Note he also said that he doesnt know who is going to win. He is simply stating some pretty apparant truths most of the non-fanatics can see.

[jadedeath]

Why do all the BD supporters use Bill O' Reilly tactics when they see an article they dont like?

Its pretty immature to discredit someone who wrote a fine article that made lots of good points because it doesnt favor your format.

Note he also said that he doesnt know who is going to win. He is simply stating some pretty apparant truths most of the non-fanatics can see.

Why do you apply that lens to Blu-Ray supporters only?

Seems to me that you're doing the exact same thing by bashing O'Reilly in this very post.

Logan

[Volume 11]

Why do you apply that lens to Blu-Ray supporters only?

Seems to me that you're doing the exact same thing by bashing O'Reilly in this very post.

Logan

No, Im not. What you just said is exactly the weak type of retort BiLl O'Reilly would use.

HD DVD posters like AODH, messin 18, and plenty of the other nuetral guys ,like Staritfastbart, never resort to discredit and spin tactics and are willing to see both sides.

Hell, I love HD DVD and I am fully aware of the uphill battle they have. And while I agrue with you guys, in real life I dont go around bashing anyone that likes BD or any article written that says HD DVD is doomed. I mean come on, are we adults? Someone writes an article you dont like, ignore it.

I dont like the Hunt manifesto but you dont see me tearing it apart because I prefer HD DVD.

In fact most of my arguing is directed at guys that think the war is over and BD and Sony can do wrong (who also use double standards and the if I argue louder argument Ill be right approach). Otherwise, I could care less. Im wealthy enough to recoup my losses if HD DVD dies. And I plan on getting a PS3 at some point anyway...so who really cares?

[polyh3dron]

No, Im not. What you just said is exactly the weak type of retort BiLl O'Reilly would use.

HD DVD posters like AODH, messin 18, and plenty of the other nuetral guys ,like Staritfastbart, never resort to discredit and spin tactics and are willing to see both sides.

Hell, I love HD DVD and I am fully aware of the uphill battle they have. And while I agrue with you guys, in real life I dont go around bashing anyone that likes BD or any article written that says HD DVD is doomed. I mean come on, are we adults? Someone writes an article you dont like, ignore it.

I dont like the Hunt manifesto but you dont see me tearing it apart because I prefer HD DVD.

In fact most of my arguing is directed at guys that think the war is over and BD and Sony can do wrong (who also use double standards and the if I argue louder argument Ill be right approach). Otherwise, I could care less. Im wealthy enough to recoup my losses if HD DVD dies. And I plan on getting a PS3 at some point anyway...so who really cares?

Do I really need to dig up your classic O'Reilly moments?

[Volume 11]

Do I really need to dig up your classic O'Reilly moments?

Like, I said. I only resort to those tactics with you and your "BD rules all and is superior and HD DVD is dead" pals. If you don't, you cant get a word in egdewise, and Im usually being sarcastic to point out how silly you guys can be at times. Its the truth. Like the age old PS3 attach rate argument. No matter what, most of you ignore the huge lead BD should have when peope bring overall PS3 sales, but when talking about SA player success in the Toshiba camp all of a sudden it turns into a "PS3s sell more than that every month" debate. Ive called you all out on the double standard argument, and thankfully, as of late, others have done so in similar threads.

You should also pull up, even when I dog on Sony or BD, that I always stated Im getting a PS3 eventually.

You should also pull up where I usually take the stance that dual format players will HOPEFULLY force Toshiba and Sony to play nice. Because realistically both formats are under-performing and would be doing better if it were a unified front.

[Dare]

I highly doubt we'll be seeing any of the BD exclusive studios going neutral though. Do you have any idea how heartbreaking it must be to the HD DVD studios that any bittorrent savvy computer user can download their HD titles and not even need to purchase a player to enjoy them in all of their 1080p glory, and there is nothing that can be done for HD DVD in the future to fix that?? The BD exclusive studios are waiting for BD+ to finalize before they open their floodgates for that reason. At least BD still has a chance of having a non-piratable format.

BD+ may get cracked, and it may not get cracked, but it's more of a chance than HD DVD has.

I have 2 more pages of comments to read through in this thread, so I might be about to say something that's been said already and not know it yet, but I just had to jump in here and say something about this.

No. Copy. Protection. Scheme. Is. Unbreakable.

I don't care how awesome the companies that try to sell their schemes to the industry say it is. Since the very early days of Macrovision in the VHS days, every scheme has been broken with astonishing rapidity. AACS was defeated as soon as hackers got their hands on a player. AACS debuted in the marketplace, with the first players out of the gate, already in pieces. Copy protection is a huge scam, a giant waste of money and resources, and CP companies are selling snake oil to paranoid industry execs. Mark my words on this one, BD+ will be obliterated before anyone in the public even owns a BD+ enabled player.

Waiting for BD+ to arrive can't possibly be the reason studio executives are withholding releases on any format, and if it is, they are fools and it's amazing they ended up in control of major corporations. There's no winning this one. The only way nobody will break BD+ is if studios abandon Blu-ray and go HD-DVD, so nobody will bother. If studios abandon HD-DVD and go Blu, BD+ will get hackers' undivided attention. Either way, no matter which way you go, movies end up on bittorrent.

If you're a fan of BD+, here's what you have to look forward to. New discs that won't play on non-BD+ enabled players, more expensive discs, and more expensive players. And maybe studios that cancel releases once again because BD+ was blown to a million pieces.

If studios aren't releasing in HD anymore, it's because they don't want their movies available to the public in HD. It can only be that simple.

[Dare]

For what it's worth, I remember 10 years ago certain studios (the familiar suspects) refusing to release on DVD because of "piracy" concerns, but they quickly came around when they realized they could *gasp* make truckloads of money at it.

[Slartibartfast]

What Sony FUBAR'd was the console war. Every month the gap between the xbox and the ps only widens. And the gap between the wii and ps3 becomes an embarrassment.

The PS3 is a BD tool, but as for a game console it is not doing well.

Now 11:3 in favour of Xbox. Those are SOLD figures.

7:3 for the wii!

And I tell you, once lucasarts comes in with their wii games, you'll see an explosion in already high sales.

[osmodiarshazbot]

Also, disc manufacturing for BR is an issue as they can't make enough discs to meet demand.

WTF!!!???

[Dare]

What Sony FUBAR'd was the console war. Every month the gap between the xbox and the ps only widens. And the gap between the wii and ps3 becomes an embarrassment.

Well, it is nice to know that I can saunter down to any Best Buy or Circuit City and grab a PS3 off the top of their tall stacks of unsold and/or returned units, if I really wanted one.

I still couldn't get a Wii to this day, unless I was really lucky and happened to be in the right place at the right time. (had to pay someone to stand in a line before xmas to get mine.)

[dolphinius_rex]

Also, disc manufacturing for BR is an issue as they can't make enough discs to meet demand.

WTF!!!???

That's slowly being fixed though... it's one of the only real downsides to Blu-Ray is it takes longer to add more manufacturing lines because you can't upgrade your old ones. It does mean however that the lines are newer, more efficient, and less likely to break down

[jadedeath]

What Sony FUBAR'd was the console war. Every month the gap between the xbox and the ps only widens. And the gap between the wii and ps3 becomes an embarrassment.

In North America perhaps, but in the rest of the world it's a VERY different stat. All-in-All worldwide it's not that much of a lead.

The PS3 is a BD tool, but as for a game console it is not doing well.

Now 11:3 in favour of Xbox. Those are SOLD figures.

7:3 for the wii!

And I tell you, once lucasarts comes in with their wii games, you'll see an explosion in already high sales.

I doubt there'll be an explosion of Wii sales for hardware, until they get the new plant up and running we'll continue to have at max about a Million Consoles worldwide sold per month, still a hell of alot more than either of the other two, but they're having trouble meeting demand.

Logan