Study: HD DVD Has Lead in Consumer Support

[irascian]

Interesting survey on comsumer perceptions of Blu Ray and HD-DVD from Beta News: here

[hmurchison]

I'm wondering what the BDA is going to do to counteract their launch debacle. No one would have predicted we'd be heading into 2007 with HD DVD kicking Blu-ray's butt.

[Kenshiro]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

I'm wondering what the BDA is going to do to counteract their launch debacle. No one would have predicted we'd be heading into 2007 with HD DVD kicking Blu-ray's butt.

Exactly why I take the "HD DVD is going to win" prediction with a grain of salt.

[Blurry]

Originally Posted by Kenshiro

... I take the "HD DVD is going to win" prediction with a grain of salt.

I think Sony is offering that with Kool-Aid...

[hi_i_am_wade]

The article is dead-on about my view of Sony. They make good products, but they cost too much and then we are treated like criminals. The final straw for Sony was the rootkit which damaged Windows.

[dobyblue]

That study was based on AVS.
I think HD DVD fans should be shocked that it doesn't show HD DVD as being way more favoured. The HD DVD fans are always running all over the Blu-ray forums there spreading nonsense.
"You'll never see a Blu-ray movie on a 50GB disc!"
Okay then.

[mikemorel]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

That study was based on AVS.

Actually the methodology was spelled out in the report summary. But nice try with the spin...

Cymfony’s Orchestra platform sifted millions of posts from a broad universe of social media sites (including blogs, discussion boards, consumer review sites, etc) from October 1, 2006—November 23, 2006. The technology identified, compiled, and tagged 17,664 posts for references to HD DVD, Blu-ray and 12 specific models of high definition players. A subset of 2000 posts with substantive discussions of these formats were randomly selected and tagged with more detailed data on the tonality and discussion topics included. Cymfony conducted this research as an independent study to evaluate and measure the influence of online social media in the high definition video market. The research was not sponsored by any manufacturer or other organization affiliated with either HD DVD or Blu-ray technologies products.

Not good buzz for BD coming exactly one month and one day before CES.

[spaceace]

HD DVD Has support from this guy -----)

[BSC]

I always thought that Sony was taking a huge gamble on putting a Blueray in the PS3.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...or_Blu-ray/382

Bad Online Buzz, PlayStation 3 to Spell Doom for Blu-ray?

This quote says it all....

"But perhaps most surprisingly -- and potentially lethal for the Blu-ray camp -- the report also suggests core gamers are actually dissenting from the format because of Sony's inclusion of a Blu-ray drive in the PlayStation 3. "

To be honest I want a "standard format" and don't care who wins but I never did think it would be Blueray.

Prepare to see Blueray supporters jumping to a much more unbiased stance soon...would be best for everyone anyway.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by mikemorel

Actually the methodology was spelled out in the report summary. But nice try with the spin...

Not good buzz for BD coming exactly one month and one day before CES.

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Originally Posted by AVS Forum

There's other issues too; ther sheer arrogance of Sony is incredible, and puts me off wanting to support them

Yah! Okay then are you kidding me? There's mention of the PS3 in there despite the study being conducted between October 1st to November 23rd, 2006. So the PS3 was out for 7 days out of the 54 days of post sampling? Yet get this - 21% of the negative Blu-ray conversation was about PS3 issues!! That's pretty odd isn't it? The PS3 was out for 12.96% of the sampling days yet 21% of the negative posts sampled were about the PS3. Don't even bother trying to explain that one. "I don't like PS3 because it has Blu-ray" is not a "PS3 Issue" - it's HD DVD fans trying to spread negativity about the format.
On page 3 you'll note that the first Discussion Driver of the 2,000 posts analyzed between 10.01.06 and 11.23.06 is "Much of the BLu-ray discussion was driven by the release of Sony's game console on November 17th."
Look at the rest of those quotes. Every single one is about negativity towards Sony. Let's look at excerpts from the 6 quotes.
1) Sony..has a track record of starting format wars and losing them.
2) Sony has yet to come through on its new formats, Betamax..
3) I'm kind of glad Sony is getting screwed
4) The sheer arrogance of Sony is incredible
5) Sony forces you to buy Blu-ray
6) A Sony rep has admitted there is a problem
Whoa!!! Let's not mention any of the troubles the A1 Toshiba player went through and is still going through. Let's not mention the problems the 360 had with its launch.
I've got a better title for this fraud of a study.

We hate Sony by Cymfony

26% of other posts were a "General dislike" of Sony.

"Many posters noted other failed Sony platforms, including Betamax and MiniDisc, and felt that Blu-ray will follow the path of these other Sony failures"

Yeah Blu-ray will probably follow the same disastrous path as CD, DVD, the Walkman, the Discman, etc. Not to mention SACD is more popular now than ever before. 1,000 titles between 1999 and 2002 and 1,000 titles alone in the last 15 months. Mainstream artists like Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails and Dire Straits have releases in the last year. Genesis are releasing all 14 of their studio albums in multi-channel DSD SACD during 2007 and 2008. There are more than double the number of DVD-Audio releases on SACD, over 4,000 now. In fact if DVD-Audio and SACD are a format war, SACD wins handily. MiniDisc is still the #1 portable digital recording method, so it won it's format war. I don't see any recordable mp3 players.

[Scott Baker]

This format war will not be decided by gamers. A client of mine owns a high-end custom audio/video shop. All of his clients were waiting for the Sony Blu-ray player and he sold out his initial first shipment (12) on day 1. I was one of them and I'm blown away by blu-ray. Wait until the Q4 sales data comes in. Everyone who was waiting for the real deal blu-ray machines will be finally building their collections. Real home theater enthusiasts aren't going to use the noisy X-box 360 as their main HD player (and I own one).

[dobyblue]

Guess what's coming next?

"Cymfony chief strategy and marketing officer Jim Nail also announced an extensive six month online survey to determine whether people think water quenches thirst"

[dobyblue]

Is that based on the fact that every single one of the 300,000+ PS3 units shipped already has sold?

[DeSade]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Is that based on the fact that every single one of the 300,000+ PS3 units shipped already has sold?

Yep all 300k+ of the 2 Million promised.

[BSC]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Is that based on the fact that every single one of the 300,000+ PS3 units shipped already has sold?

And is that a large number to you?

It's not hard to sell 300,000 unites....even a fairly unpopular console could do that on a launch day.

PS3 will sell well I believe but there will be gamers who look at it, as well as the lackluster reviews it has received, and say "no thanks".

I'm a member over at IGN and Gamespot and let me tell ya....there are tons of gamers who have turned their back on the PS3 and just went for the 360 according to the boards.

Now I'm not saying that they are turning their back because it's blueray but it being blueray does not help considering how badly they and behind in sales.

Tell ya one thing....I wouldn't buy a PS3 until the format wars were over. I mean what will Sony do when hd-dvd is the standard (and it will be)? Will they take out the blueray and start putting hd-dvd drives in them? Not sure how that would work but either way I'm not buying a $500-$600 console (a big part of that $ is going towards blueray) that will not play HD movies in the near future....