Microsoft = HD Format War's "Chancellor Palpatine"

[polyh3dron]

huge loans=access to capital.

The U, S and A is in a "huge debt" too, but again, huge loans=access to capital.

[polyh3dron]

Whats so bad about Microsoft supporting HD DVD is that they simply dont care and they have a hidden agenda.There not in the movie,home video or hardware for home video business.If it were up to them everything would be download and there would be NO discs to buy and take home,it would be download only with a subscription fee...think about it.

P.S.No it wouldnt be ideal for all studios to be format neutral,it would be FOR ONE HD FORMAT.

We can reiterate it all we want, but this fulcizombie will ignore this and effectively say "whatevz Sony sux0rz and HD DVD rox0rz"

[fulcizombie]

We can reiterate it all we want, but this fulcizombie will ignore this and effectively say "whatevz Sony sux0rz and HD DVD rox0rz"

Please show me the posts of mine that have a similar tone,thank you very much.

And no,the ideal thing would be all studios supporting both formats and letting consumer decide.You can't bend the rules of ethics to fit your agenda.Either accept EVERYONES(from MS to CE companies to studios) role in this "war" as it is and stop whining about it, or accept that things should have been equal for both formats for the consumer to decide.

Oh and MS has entered the entertainment business ,in general, a long time ago so they have every right to participate in this format war.In fact they should have been much more aggressive.

[polyh3dron]

Please show me the posts of mine that have a similar tone,thank you very much.

Your posts in THIS thread have that tone, why do I have to show other posts of yours that have the same tone?

Me: "MS's intentions in backing HD DVD aren't noble (uses Star Wars analogy), if you support HD DVD and help it, expect to see downloads rule the roost eventually when MS drops their HD DVD support along with a helping of draconian DRM that'll make BD+ look like Macrovision in comparison."

You: "Sony is in debt, they suck. HD DVD is cool, all the studios should go neutral."

[polyh3dron]

Oh and MS has entered the entertainment business ,in general, a long time ago so they have every right to participate in this format war.In fact they should have been much more aggressive.

Translation: "I want the High Def disc formats to die so I can pay just a little less than what a BD costs to download a lower bitrate, 720p movie that will cease to play on my computer/movie viewing device in 5 days time. I don't want to accumulate a vast movie collection, if I want to revisit a movie later I don't mind paying for it again and waiting 1 hr for it to download again.

[???]

HD DVD however is Toshiba and MS against the world.

Chair Company Toshiba Corporation
Vice-Chair Company Memory-Tech Corporation, NEC Corporation
Auditor SANYO Electric Co., Ltd.
Secretary Toshiba Corporation
Managing member Memory-Tech Corporation
NEC Corporation
SANYO Electric Co., Ltd.
Toshiba Corporation
General member : 63 companies
ALMEDIO INC. Moser Baer India Ltd
ALPINE ELECTRONICS, INC. NEC Corporation
BANDAI VISUAL CO., LTD. NEC Electronics Corporation
Broadcom Corporation NIHONVTR INC.
CANON INC. Oerlikon Japan Co., Ltd.
CMC Magnetics Corporation ONKYO CORPORATION
D&M Holdings Inc. Paramount Home Entertainment
Digital Theater Systems PONY CANYON INC.
Diskware Co., Ltd. PonyCanyon Enterprise INC.
EXPERT MAGNETICS Corp. Prodisc Technology Inc.
FUJI PHOTO FILM CO., LTD. Protron Digital Inc.
Fujitsu Limited. PULSTEC INDUSTRIAL CO.,LTD
FUNAI ELECTRIC CO., LTD. Q-TEC,INC.
Gibson Musical Instruments RICOH COMPANY LTD.
Hewlett-Packard Company RITEK CORPORATION
Hitachi Maxell, Ltd. SANYO Electric Co., Ltd.
Imation Corp Sonopress GmbH
Intel Corporation TAIYO YUDEN CO.,LTD.
InterVideo, Inc. TEAC CORPORATION
ITRI TEIJIN CHEMICALS LTD.
Justsystem Corporation Toemi Media Solutions Limited
KADOKAWA HOLDINGS,INC. TOPPAN PRINTING CO., LTD.
Kenwood Corporation TOSHIBA CORPORATION
kinyosha printing co.,ltd. TOSHIBA DIGITAL FRONTIERS INC.
KITANO CO.,LTD. TOSHIBA ENTERTAINMENT INC.
Konica Minolta Opto, Inc. Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology Corporation
Lenovo Japan TOSHIBA-EMI LIMITED
McRAY Corporation TRENDY Corporation
Memory-Tech Corporation Ulead Systems, Inc.
Microsoft Corporation Universal Pictures
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co., Ltd. / Verbatim Warner Home Video Inc.
Mitsui Chemicals, Inc.

Associate member : 72 companies
Acer Inc. Kaleidescape, Inc.
ACSES Co.,Ltd. M2 Engineering
Ad Seeds Co.,Ltd Megan Media Holdings Bhd
ALTECH ADS CO., LTD. MITOMO CO., LTD
ArcSoft, Inc MPO INTERNATIONAL
AudioDev AB Nero AG
B.H.A Corporation NICHIA CORPORATION
BEKO Elektronik NIKKATSU CORPORATION
CDN Corporation, LTD. nixbu Entertainment GmbH & Co. KG
CyberLink Corp OMNIBUS JAPAN
DAIKIN INDUSTRIES, Ltd. Onken Corporation
Daiko.co,ltd. Online Media Technologies Ltd.
Daxon Technology Inc. Origin ELECTRIC CO.,LTD.
Dedicated Devices, Inc. OUTPOST FX (AB) International
DigiOn, Inc. Pegasys, Inc.
Digital Site Corporation PICO HOUSE Co.,LTD
DISC LABO CORP. PIXELA CORPORATION
dr. schwab Inspection Technology GmbH Plasmon OMS Sarl
DT JAPAN INC. PROBOXX.inc
EBISTRADE,INC. PRYAID RECORDS INC.
Enteractive GmbH Query inc
Entertainment Network Inc. Sanken Media Product Co., Ltd.
EXA INTERNATIONAL Shibaura Mechatronics Corporation
Finepack . Co.,LTD Sonic Solutions
Flag,Inc. SUMITOMO HEAVY INDUSTRIES. LTD
FUJI PLASTIC CO LTD SUPER VISION, INC.
FUJI SEIKI CO., LTD. TOEI VIDEO CO., LTD.
GEAR Software, Inc TOHO COMPANY, LIMITED.
Hamamatsu Metrix co.,ltd. tokyo laboratory ltd.
Hitachi High-Technologies Corporation TOPTICA Photonics AG
HOEI SANGYO CO., LTD. TOYO RECORDING CO., LTD.
IDE-AVA TRANSMIX Co., Ltd.
IMAGICA Corp. U-Tech Media Corp.
Info Source Multi Media Korea Ltd. VAP inc.
INFODISC Technology Co., Ltd. Visionare Corporation
JP Co., Ltd Clariant Japan
Are you sure???

[fulcizombie]

Your posts in THIS thread have that tone, why do I have to show other posts of yours that have the same tone?

Me: "MS's intentions in backing HD DVD aren't noble (uses Star Wars analogy), if you support HD DVD and help it, expect to see downloads rule the roost eventually when MS drops their HD DVD support along with a helping of draconian DRM that'll make BD+ look like Macrovision in comparison."

You: "Sony is in debt, they suck. HD DVD is cool, all the studios should go neutral."

Where did i say that sony sucks??Or that HDDVD is cool??All i said that sony has been facing huge financial problems for a very long time(2 years ago they had to lay off 10000 workers) and they are in huge debt.Toshiba is a much healthier company, financially, right now and can loose a bit of money on HDDVD while sony loses billions upon billions of $$$(and their position in the videogames' market on top of that) to establish blu ray.I am sorry if these facts offend you.

[Bobbin]

I especially enjoy them talking of "consumer's choice". If that would be the case they'd have released a Blu-ray addon already. Everyone is telling me that Sony is the big manipulator but when I hear MS with their hidden agenda I always get the urge to buy another Blu-ray disc just for them.

[kannisto]

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I don't know about you guys but my HD movie collection that I have up to this point is already at about 5 terabytes. Looking at the XBL video marketplace, MS doesn't want you to own movies, but merely pay for downloads that will expire after a period of time. Do you guys really want that? If so, keep supporting HD-DVD.

HD movie downloading with content that expires could possibly gradually replace the rental market, but that's all. People who want to buy and own discs now would still want to have that content in a permanent form that they can access whenever they want without any additional cost. I don't see any way that MS or any other company could replace that content sales market with downloads that expire. Why would the content buying masses go for that kind of content model when they've never done it before with other media content either, and while there are other options available? As I see it, HD DVD has nothing to do with expiring downloadable content.

On the topic of what is good for the consumers, one major reason why I support HD DVD over Blu-ray is because it has no region coding + it has less extraneous DRM (BD+) and because studios that support it are more consumer friendly in their policies than those who support Blu-ray exclusively. Consumer friendliness means that the studios put out all their releases without region codes and that they don't cancel or postpone for months all/most of their releases whenever somebody manages to hack their latest version of DRM etc. A measure of studio credibility is also how they communicate to public and in this area I also prefer HD DVD exclusive and neutral studios over the BDA group.

[rmslives]

I went to bed, woke up, and the forum has been taken over by paranoid conspiracy theorists.

If the American public put as much thought into who they vote for, and why, in our political system as you guys put into dreaming up plots, schemes, and evil intentions on the part of ELECTRONICS and SOFTWARE companies, why, the United States might actually have some decent politicians in office.

Seriously - do you guys think this much about some of the more important decisions in life? Just curious.

SONY has made it either impossible for children who want a PS3 to get one, or have forced their parents to shell out an extra $200 than anyone should have to do for a gaming console, just to promote Blu-Ray. You know how many friends I have with kids under the age of thirteen who want a PS3, and asked for one at Christmas, who never got them? All for the sake of the format war.

SONY: crushing little kids' dreams for its Blu-Ray schemes.

Please - Microsoft is evil. Bill Gates gives away millions, if not billions, of dollars in charity. Microsoft is a corporation just like any. Do I really think SONY wants to kill little kids' dreams? No. But the fact is, they did, because they were not worried about what consumers wanted - a choice between a PS3 with a BD drive and one without one. SONY was only interested in what IT wanted, which is what most companies do.

They all suck in various ways, so this thread is nothing more than fanboyism. Pure and simple.

[Slartibartfast]

Microsoft is almost single-handedly keeping HD DVD afloat with its cost subsidizing of Toshiba hardware and undeniable influence on Universal.

MS doesn't really stand to benefit a whole lot from HD DVD winning the war, but they DO stand to benefit from both formats losing because that would allow the easy proliferation of HD movie downloading, and with almost all HD DVDs already being encoded in VC-1 they can easily be plopped up on MS's inevitable online movie downloading store. Oh yeah and those VC-1 encodes would have a tough time getting on iTunes as well .

MS is merely doing its part to inhibit the Blu-Ray format from winning easily and imo they are using their money to force this format war into a stalemate.

MS is playing HD DVD just like Palpatine played the Trade Federation and seperatists in the Star Wars prequels, and you guys know how they ended up.

I don't know about you guys but my HD movie collection that I have up to this point is already at about 5 terabytes. Looking at the XBL video marketplace, MS doesn't want you to own movies, but merely pay for downloads that will expire after a period of time. Do you guys really want that? If so, keep supporting HD-DVD.

You're argument is so full of holes I'll only point out one. If you simply replace MS with Sony, Fox, Disney DRM alliance, and HD with BD, you could repost.

[bigsef3]

Sony has said they will start releasing movies online for download via the ps3 too. Its just another service to offer for people who want to essentially "rent" a movie. It is not practical at all for holding a permanent library, simply because hard drives dont have the capacity to store a robust movie collection in HD and unless someone releases a cheap 500TB drive in the near future, its going to remain impractical.

Additionally, not everyone has a cable modem. A large percentage of the population is stuck with DSL or clearwire like me. both of those are rediculously slow compared to cable. I used to download movies all the time from the 360 because i lived in an apartment serviced by time warner cable. my new apartment complex has an exclusive contract with a dsl company and it just takes too long to download a highdef movie at 1.5MB/s.

[Slartibartfast]

Sony has said they will start releasing movies online for download via the ps3 too. Its just another service to offer for people who want to essentially "rent" a movie. It is not practical at all for holding a permanent library, simply because hard drives dont have the capacity to store a robust movie collection in HD and unless someone releases a cheap 500TB drive in the near future, its going to remain impractical.

Additionally, not everyone has a cable modem. A large percentage of the population is stuck with DSL or clearwire like me. both of those are rediculously slow compared to cable. I used to download movies all the time from the 360 because i lived in an apartment serviced by time warner cable. my new apartment complex has an exclusive contract with a dsl company and it just takes too long to download a highdef movie at 1.5MB/s.

Sony has said a lot of things, but today I can go to XBL and download a ton of movies, all in 720p. Lionsgate stuff is there too

No cable? What about satellite? Besides the way the downloading works if that you don't need to download the entire movie to watch, you only download a small portion of it and you can begin. The rest downloads as you watch.

Dial up need not apply.

[cyberlaz]

MS is playing HD DVD just like Palpatine played the Trade Federation and seperatists in the Star Wars prequels, and you guys know how they ended up.

MS? Give me a break. They are just a good competitor and their enemies like to play them up as being evil and unfair.

What you should really worry about is who owns Universal which is GE. The second biggest company in the worry with profits that are close to have of what Sony or Toshiba make in revenue every year.

GE makes everything from kitchen appliances to nuclear missiles. There is your evil empire if you are looking for one. Maybe GE is pushing for HD DVD to win through Universal so they can control how the public accesses the next generation of movies. This way they can control what movies people see and forward their agenda that way. Then, they can brainwash all into being faceless minions for the war machine.

[rmslives]

MS? Give me a break. They are just a good competitor and their enemies like to play them up as being evil and unfair.

What you should really worry about is who owns Universal which is GE. The second biggest company in the worry with profits that are close to have of what Sony or Toshiba make in revenue every year.

GE makes everything from kitchen appliances to nuclear missiles. There is your evil empire if you are looking for one. Maybe GE is pushing for HD DVD to win through Universal so they can control how the public accesses the next generation of movies. This way they can control what movies people see and forward their agenda that way. Then, they can brainwash all into being faceless minions for the war machine.

Good lord, I hope you're joking.