Will you buy TF2 in light of the crappy reviews???

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Taffy

I love TITANIC. Boy...that film scored on just about every reason people go to see movies. Had a terrific story...brilliantly woven, tremendous cast, a haunting score, and state of the art special effects. This was the last film that I saw multiple times at the cinema. It was the top grossing film for something like 6 months straight!!! Hard to imagine since most popular films these days don't seem to last more than 2 weeks.

You loved Titanic? To me Pearl Harbor (by Bay) had the exact same plot. Hey let's take an historical event make it 75% inaccurate throw in a love triangle and see what happens. All you need to watch of Titanic is the last hour, cut and dry.

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by silverado

So we have just come to the conclusion that you will buy the BD and I will not?!? You are right about those gems from 1984 being nothing more than cinematic clones produced to be eye candy or boost a young actors/comedians career. That is why I do not consider these movies when I mention summer blockbuster.
As I mentioned, Titanic is the last movie that I feel was a summer blockbuster in the fact that the line went two blocks and if you didn't see it at least five times, you suck.

I find it very odd to call Titanic the last summer blockbuster. Given tha the film isn't really in sync with what usually defines a summar blockbuster. And most important...given that Titanic was not a summar release, and wasn't a summer blockbuster itself...I have no idea what you're talking.

The simple fact is this. You've decided that films that really ARE summar blocksbuters, and fit that definition to a tee...are not. And that a film that is atypical of the summer blockbuster experience, and opened in December...is the prime example of one. You might as well say that a brick is water, and water is not. I'm sorry, I can appreciate that someone may like Titanic over the noisy action movies that define summer blockbusters, but your definition of a summer blockbuster has no relation to the reality of the past 3 or 4 decades.

That being said, I really like Titanic. It's got some hokey dialogue, and a love story that's more melodrama than great romance, and a villian that's about as one note as you can get...but when it works, it does, and it's a sumptuous epic.

[SRW1000]

Originally Posted by Sbert

As it stands, a lot of people can _TRY_ to hold some sort of a moral highground about how shitty the artistic qualities of the movie was - acting, plot, etc, but the reality is over 40 percent of the respondents have already PLANNED on buying the movie before it was even seen.

That tells you something doesn't it?

Yeah, it certainly does tell you something. But it's kind of sad, though.

Rewarding studios for putting out a poor product, or consumers no longer caring about substance. Neither is good for anyone that cares about quality as long as mediocrity reaps huge rewards.

Scott

[Sbert]

Originally Posted by SRW1000

Yeah, it certainly does tell you something. But it's kind of sad, though.

Rewarding studios for putting out a poor product, or consumers no longer caring about substance. Neither is good for anyone that cares about quality as long as mediocrity reaps huge rewards.

Scott

Well, that's a matter of opinion, isn't it? Reference quality transfer with lossless 7.1 is considered substance by many. Whether or not the story is good or not.

I think that there is always room for such things. I wasn't terribly impressed with 5th element and always wondered how the hell it became such a demo disc. I have a friend who owns 4 different versions of 5th element.

[SRW1000]

Originally Posted by Sbert

Reference quality transfer with lossless 7.1 is considered substance by many. Whether or not the story is good or not.

Yes, I find that very sad.

Of course, it would be best to have both in the same package, but given a choice I'll take a good story over a good presentation of vapid nothingness any day.

Scott

[Sbert]

Originally Posted by SRW1000

Yes, I find that very sad.

Of course, it would be best to have both in the same package, but given a choice I'll take a good story over a good presentation of vapid nothingness any day.

Scott

Of course, it would be nice to have both in the same package. That being said, for some people this movie was THE BOMB, and it is in fact everything they could have hoped and wanted.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Can't really fault them. Now, if they hated the movie and still bought it because of the eyecandy, that's something to be sad about.

I found the movie to be entertaining and perhaps not the best for substance, but as they said check brain in before you watch it. As it stands I use too much of it at work and always look for mindless comedy (tropic thunder, nacho libre, blades of glory, and gratuitous violence and cars often...)

[silverado]

Originally Posted by kowhite

I find it very odd to call Titanic the last summer blockbuster. Given tha the film isn't really in sync with what usually defines a summar blockbuster. And most important...given that Titanic was not a summar release, and wasn't a summer blockbuster itself...I have no idea what you're talking.

The simple fact is this. You've decided that films that really ARE summar blocksbuters, and fit that definition to a tee...are not. And that a film that is atypical of the summer blockbuster experience, and opened in December...is the prime example of one. You might as well say that a brick is water, and water is not. I'm sorry, I can appreciate that someone may like Titanic over the noisy action movies that define summer blockbusters, but your definition of a summer blockbuster has no relation to the reality of the past 3 or 4 decades.

That being said, I really like Titanic. It's got some hokey dialogue, and a love story that's more melodrama than great romance, and a villian that's about as one note as you can get...but when it works, it does, and it's a sumptuous epic.

Calm down
I was referencing Titanic to a typical night of long lines and multiple visits. I remember Jaws and also remember the electricity it conjured (even though I was a kid) and what the exorcist did to some patrons with them passing out in the aisles. We all danced to Ghostbusters theme song in the 80's right after dancing to Footloose. Axel F is still a popular song today thanks to that annoying frog thing. Who didn't go around saying wax on, wax off, sand the floor, paint the fence, paint the house and believe they knew karate..

Nostalgia I know, but damnit, I think we need more movies that make everyone excited about theater again.

To elaborate "Y so serious"!!

[hoosier2007]

when have i ever listened to those crappy critics!

[blurayboy]

I just saw this in IMAX today and I thought this was the best movie ever! I will definitely buy this day 1.

[vinnie97]

good grief, charlie brown

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by silverado

Calm down
I was referencing Titanic to a typical night of long lines and multiple visits. I remember Jaws and also remember the electricity it conjured (even though I was a kid) and what the exorcist did to some patrons with them passing out in the aisles. We all danced to Ghostbusters theme song in the 80's right after dancing to Footloose. Axel F is still a popular song today thanks to that annoying frog thing. Who didn't go around saying wax on, wax off, sand the floor, paint the fence, paint the house and believe they knew karate..

Nostalgia I know, but damnit, I think we need more movies that make everyone excited about theater again.

To elaborate "Y so serious"!!

I don't get it. We've had films since Titanic that did exactly that. Just cause you didn't get into the films, doesn't mean that stuff doesn't exist. I mean you mentioned Footloose...so obviously it's not just size of box office thing. In which case...there are literally tons of films that have inspired that type of excitement in the past decade. So...huh? You're not making any sense to me. I can name movies in the past year that did exactly that...from Twilight to the Dark Knight to Slumdog Millionaire. Granted, there are a lot more theaters these days...and movies open bigger, so maybe the excitement isn't as concentrated. But long lines, big movies, and tons of exctiement? That hasn't gone away.

[silverado]

Originally Posted by kowhite

I don't get it. We've had films since Titanic that did exactly that. Just cause you didn't get into the films, doesn't mean that stuff doesn't exist. I mean you mentioned Footloose...so obviously it's not just size of box office thing. In which case...there are literally tons of films that have inspired that type of excitement in the past decade. So...huh? You're not making any sense to me. I can name movies in the past year that did exactly that...from Twilight to the Dark Knight to Slumdog Millionaire. Granted, there are a lot more theaters these days...and movies open bigger, so maybe the excitement isn't as concentrated. But long lines, big movies, and tons of exctiement? That hasn't gone away.

We seem to be on the same page but reading different paragraphs.
Let's see if this makes sense.
I DON'T LIKE TF2!!!!!!!!!
You seem to put TF2 in with the likes of Gran Torino, Slumdog Millionaire, Dark Knight, Star Wars, Indiana, Iron Man, Wall-E ......etc. I don't think TF2 is in that class. Any one of these movies is quotable, memorable, and some are Oscar worthy, Summer Blockbuster material in my book.
You obviously disagree, and that is fine.
I know the long lines have not disappeared, Dark Knight reminded me of that, 2 1/2 hour line with costumed characters (mostly Joker) and I LOVED it!!

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by silverado

You seem to put TF2 in with the likes of Gran Torino, Slumdog Millionaire, Dark Knight, Star Wars, Indiana, Iron Man, Wall-E ......etc. I don't think TF2 is in that class.

In all fairness...you were more broad in your initial post, and I didn't mention Transformers 2 for a reason...mainly, I haven't seen it. So no, I'm not putting TF2 in that category (though it certainly is a summer blockbuster...though not necessarily one people like)...I know that's what this thread is about, but you said nothing since Titanic in the last ten years. That's a bit broader than just Transformers 2, of which I don't have an opinion yet.

Though I'll say...I loved the first one.

[Taffy]

Originally Posted by kowhite

I don't get it. We've had films since Titanic that did exactly that. Just cause you didn't get into the films, doesn't mean that stuff doesn't exist. I mean you mentioned Footloose...so obviously it's not just size of box office thing. In which case...there are literally tons of films that have inspired that type of excitement in the past decade. So...huh? You're not making any sense to me. I can name movies in the past year that did exactly that...from Twilight to the Dark Knight to Slumdog Millionaire. Granted, there are a lot more theaters these days...and movies open bigger, so maybe the excitement isn't as concentrated. But long lines, big movies, and tons of exctiement? That hasn't gone away.

I think Siverado is talking about movies that "stick" and make a positive memorable impression on the viewer that lasts a whole LIFETIME....this I can understand. He gives movies of this type a group name....Summer Blockbuster. Is that so hard to understand?
Perhaps you have some movies that you absolutely never get tired of seeing. Movies that are "perfect" for you. I'm sure you do...I'm sure we ALL do; and the older you are, the bigger this list becomes.
Titanic was the last film I saw that had "Summer Blockbuster" status where I remember going to see muliple times at the cinema. At various times I took members of my family and friends and they all cried their eyes out. I think movies, with some exceptions of course, have gone downhill in terms of quality since than. See any patterns in the attached list?

Inflation-Adjusted Top 20 Movies Released Since 1977
Note: This chart is adjusted for ticket price inflation. The figures represent the total amount of money a movie has taken in the United States over its lifetime taking into account the cost of tickets.

Released Film Name Total Box Office
1 1977 Star Wars Ep. IV: A New Hope $1,169,002,703
2 1982 ET: The Extra-Terrestrial $964,755,189
3 1997 Titanic $925,007,090
4 1980 Star Wars Ep. V: The Empire Strikes Back $693,279,648
5 1983 Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi $667,572,706
6 1999 Star Wars Ep. I: The Phantom Menace $609,211,218
7 1993 Jurassic Park $607,908,342
8 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark $587,269,640
9 1994 Forrest Gump $576,655,367
10 1994 The Lion King $549,149,814

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/re...ation_adjusted

[Sbert]

Originally Posted by Taffy

I think Siverado is talking about movies that "stick" and make a positive memorable impression on the viewer that lasts a whole LIFETIME....this I can understand. He gives movies of this type a group name....Summer Blockbuster. Is that so hard to understand?

That's the problem. Using that as a definition as Summer blockbuster is pretty misleading.

I.e. I got a pile or brown excrement that smells like brown extrement and I shall call it "gourmet white shit". So yes, it makes no sense, and is in fact hard to understand.

Perhaps you have some movies that you absolutely never get tired of seeing. Movies that are "perfect" for you. I'm sure you do...I'm sure we ALL do; and the older you are, the bigger this list becomes.
Titanic was the last film I saw that had "Summer Blockbuster" status where I remember going to see muliple times at the cinema. At various times I took members of my family and friends and they all cried their eyes out. I think movies, with some exceptions of course, have gone downhill in terms of quality since than. See any patterns in the attached list?

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/re...ation_adjusted

Well, I for one can't watch phantom menace again. Looks like there's at least 1 movie that made it thought that personally I could live without watching again. The others are rewatching in regards to entire movie maybe once every few years.

Mind you, TF2, if it's reference quality transfer and has 7.1 lossless, will be replayable countless number of times for just a couple scenes. Somewhat like 5th element when leeloo gets remade and escapes onto the taxi cab with dallas...