Will you buy TF2 in light of the crappy reviews???

[Kosty]

Originally Posted by Thulsadoom

Well, if it's not too noticeable on Transformers 2... still sounds annoying lol! Though I don't think I'll rent TDK. Ended up seeing it twice at the cinema, and thought it was a pretty weak film, overall. Don't think I could sit through it again lol! So I'll maybe give Transformers 2 a rent when it comes out, to see how it goes!

Its not really annoying as it is adding information not subtracting it. Its like the top and bottom letterbars are being lifted off and its going to an open matte 16:9. The story is so intense there that most people don;t notice unless its pointed out or if they do notice its appreciated.

[Thulsadoom]

I know what you're saying, but I find that type of thing frustrating. It's not so much about more information... but because suddenly we don't know what the preferred Director's vision is. The artistically framed 2.35 image? Or the opened up 1.85? Is the 1.85 simply a larger usage to take advantage of the Imax screen, but not really for any other reason? Therefore are we sacrificing consistency and the director's/editor's artistic framing of the shot for more picture, because the studio thought "Oooh, bigger picture for the Blu Ray!"? In a way, I consider that loss of information, from an aesthetic perspective.

If it was done in-film as an artistic choice with some reason behind it, I can understand it. But it was only originally done to maximise usage of the Imax screen (as far as I know), so my personal preference in such cases would be a proper aesthetically pleasing cinematic framing. I'm just a sucker really, for a properly composed frame lol! Then again, I didn't find either film really stood out in that respect, so I suppose I shouldn't worry too much...

I just find it a pointless inconsistency in the presentation. Could you imagine a 1.85 film jumping to 4x3 suddenly, just because they filmed part of it in that ratio for Imax?

[Kosty]

The Imax image was native to it and was naturally larger than the 2.35 scope image the rest of the film had.

I liked it and everyone that I personally have talked to about it and most reviews I saw like it as well. It basically adds more to the screen.

IMAX however has some serious limitations for shooting an entire movie, including cost, length of active film length in the roll, bulkiness of equipment and lack of on site immediate review.

Rent the Blu-ray version of TDK, go through the Imax extra feature and see for yourself.

It just works well in IMHO. There also is added detail and image impact with the Imax image.

I just find it a pointless inconsistency in the presentation. Could you imagine a 1.85 film jumping to 4x3 suddenly, just because they filmed part of it in that ratio for Imax?

Well the decision was made not to do that as that would be seen as subtracting and making the presented image smaller and adding blocking pillarbars on the sides to the home video presentation on smaller displays. So they filmed it that way with the intention of how it is now showing up on the Blu-ray version.

It is the OAR as intended by the director, and it looks lik its adding image to everyone, so I'm fine with that.

On a big front projection screen like mine in my home theater, or in a movie theater, an open matte Imax image is fine as their is extra room to expand it even further and the image top or even sides can be opened up to the full IMAX size. Kinda hard to do that on 16:9 HDTVs so it was planned that way. Just suck it up and sit back and enjoy it.

[crazzeto]

So I saw this in theaters.... I just don't know if the bluray will be in my collection... There's a good chance because I don't like not having every movie in a series in my colleciton, but that said this movie really kind of sucked bad. There was no plot, just juvinal MB humor and action, that's about it. I mean, this managed to have less plot line and stroy than the original TF, that's impressive (in a bad way). On a positive note there was no mention of "high heat sabo rounds" this time which at the very least prevented me from actually cringing durring the film.

[Kosty]

high heat sabo rounds

LOL ...that got me too. Depleted Uranium maybe, but.....but I liked it anyway.

[crazzeto]

Originally Posted by Kosty

LOL ...that got me too. Depleted Uranium maybe, but.....but I liked it anyway.

You think Bay would have watched a little history channel which constantly runs programs on military hardware before making TF2 (well History Inter now since History is the new Discovery). In fact I thought he had given pearl harbor, but apparently any historical accurasy he got in that film was by accident (or the work of far more tanented script writes). If he had he might know a sabo is just filler for a round too small for the barrol of the gun.

Edit
Though actually that came up in Mythbusters as well, a show I was friggen sure Bay would be all over just for the explosions. Then again maybe he doesn't appriciate the competition...

[Kosty]

Bit more complicated than that. He had great DOD support and probably exactly knew that the detail was incorrect as someone told him and his staff about it. No doubt in my mind there. But for some dramatic or storytelling reason they left that phrase in, and may have gotten a wink to do it so that the "high heat sabot" was not a perfect match with any actual military munitions.

For example its plausible a M1 sabot round or a 30mm DP round from a A-10 could have enough kinetic energy to penetrate the bad robots armor, but the plot required the special ops team to have man carried weapons. So voila....the magic or storytelling and a little hand waving to move the plot, as much as there is, along.

I don't worry too much about it as long as the US military acts like the guys and gals that I know well would act. That Mr Bay gets very well.

[Kosty]

I just said to myself , well OK, the DP sabots have incendiary tips somehow, well ookie dookie then.....and just I really just said to myself, well the movie is about giant robots from outer space transforming into cars and planes and trucks and back again and blowing stuff up based on a comic book,.......and then slapped myself and then just went back to watching the movie......

[crazzeto]

Originally Posted by Kosty

Bit more complicated than that. He had great DOD support and probably exactly knew that the detail was incorrect as someone told him and his staff about it. No doubt in my mind there. But for some dramatic or storytelling reason they left that phrase in, and may have gotten a wink to do it so that the "high heat sabot" was not a perfect match with any actual military munitions.

For example its plausible a M1 sabot round or a 30mm DP round from a A-10 could have enough kinetic energy to penetrate the bad robots armor, but the plot required the special ops team to have man carried weapons. So voila....the magic or storytelling and a little hand waving to move the plot, as much as there is, along.

I don't worry too much about it as long as the US military acts like the guys and gals that I know well would act. That Mr Bay gets very well.

The description it's self is incorrect and implausable... if it was left in for dramatic effect, then I guess in my cause it really ended up being more a nausiating one.

In so far as portable DU, I'm pretty sure I've heard of a 50 cal round being used in sniper applications (5 rnds). I can't vouch for that, and I do understand that DU is quite heavy which would limit a solidiers ability to carry munitions. But you know what, real or not such a sanario is still far more plausable. The idea of DU being effective against transformers is certainly plausable, far more so than some "high heat" round.

My guess is that Bay got tragically confused... I think he heard about the kinedic effects of a DU impact on a tank, heard about stuff like streams of molten metal shooting through the target and mistakingly thought "oh, that must be some insainly hot round... We'll call that "High Heat Sabo" for the film". Not realizing that these effects are mearly the result of enormous kinetic energy acting on a metalic object.

[Kosty]

There is a depleted uranium 50 cal sniper round, and does have secondary effects, but I'm not sure it is in actual US military inventory. I think because of exposure concerns its only in anti-armor inventory and not in small arms. The muzzle velocity of a A-10 30mm or 120mm gives the dense projectile its oomph and the mass x velocity gives it its killing power.

But you are right its special purpose and would be heavy.

Like I said I did not worry too much about it given the context.

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcrip...nscriptid=2058

[Kosty]

'Transformers' hits $300 million
Michael Bay film's worldwide gross tops $600 mil
By Carl DiOrio
July 7, 2009, 06:04 PM ET

The boxoffice year got its first $300 million domestic grosser on Tuesday.

Paramount's "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" passed that magical milestone after pushing its U.S. and Canadian coin to $299.8 million on Monday.

That same day, overseas boxoffice topped $300 million. So the Michael Bay blockbuster's worldwide tally runs north of $600 million.

Daily grosses remain strong as the Shia LaBeouf-Megan Fox starrer approaches its third weekend of global release. But Fox's 3D animated feature "Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs" topped the day's domestic boxoffice on Monday, with $$6.5 million to $6.4 million for the "Transformers" sequel.

Looming competition include a pair of comedies set to open on Friday -- Universal's R-rated Sacha Baron Cohen starrer "Bruno" and Fox's high-school laugher "I Love You, Beth Cooper," rated PG-13.

$600 M worldwide. $300 M domestic box office to date. Yikes.

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by crazzeto

My guess is that Bay got tragically confused... I think he heard about the kinedic effects of a DU impact on a tank, heard about stuff like streams of molten metal shooting through the target and mistakingly thought "oh, that must be some insainly hot round... We'll call that "High Heat Sabo" for the film". Not realizing that these effects are mearly the result of enormous kinetic energy acting on a metalic object.

You really think Michael Bay even cares if he's accurate? Tragically confused would imply that upon finding out he got something incorrect, that he'd actually give a shit. I have serious doubts he would. I'm not even sure he'd care even if he knew before the fact...in fact, I'd just assume Michael Bay cares about accuracy and realism about as much as he cares about having well developed characters.

[Kosty]

Originally Posted by kowhite

You really think Michael Bay even cares if he's accurate? Tragically confused would imply that upon finding out he got something incorrect, that he'd actually give a shit. I have serious doubts he would. I'm not even sure he'd care even if he knew before the fact...in fact, I'd just assume Michael Bay cares about accuracy and realism about as much as he cares about having well developed characters.

Its a film about giant robots from outer space that transform back and forth into cars and blow stuff up.

I have heard and read from people that worked with him on some films as military advisors, He has a very good reputation among military folks that have worked with him and the DOD has worked with him a lot to actually give him military equipment to use to go over scripts and to work with him on military terms procedures and accuracy. I have little doubt he was advised the term was technically inaccurate but it was a conscious decision to keep it in. It may have been advised after a take was in the can, but I'm absolutely sure it was known to him before it went final. But it may have been considered no big deal because its a film about.......etc....

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by kowhite

You really think Michael Bay even cares if he's accurate? Tragically confused would imply that upon finding out he got something incorrect, that he'd actually give a shit. I have serious doubts he would. I'm not even sure he'd care even if he knew before the fact...in fact, I'd just assume Michael Bay cares about accuracy and realism about as much as he cares about having well developed characters.

haha, and if this disturbs you, feel free to turn your brain off at the door for a better time at the theater.

Still not interested in T2...resisting the 600M behemoth. The robot balls and humping stunts alone are enough to keep me at bay (ahem, no pun intended ).

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by Kosty

Its a film about giant robots from outer space that transform back and forth into cars and blow stuff up.

I have heard and read from people that worked with him on some films as military advisors, He has a very good reputation among military folks that have worked with him and the DOD has worked with him a lot to actually give him military equipment to use to go over scripts and to work with him on military terms procedures and accuracy. I have little doubt he was advised the term was technically inaccurate but it was a conscious decision to keep it in. It may have been advised after a take was in the can, but I'm absolutely sure it was known to him before it went final. But it may have been considered no big deal because its a film about.......etc....

Yeah, you just gotta run with the movie as being silly. I know I saw it with my Dad, who kept pointing out the geographical inaccuracies of the film. I told him...do you remember in the first film when Los Angeles happened to be only 30 minutes away from Hoover Dam? Obviously...these things are of little importance. I'm sure his military advisors pointed out that the US having major military operations in China probably wouldn't be so easily done but really, who cares? Anymore than I care that certain parts of Shanghai looked remarkably similar to Long Beach CA. Really, who cares? It's a movie about two things...giant robots fighting and Megan Fox bending over. I can understand some might demand more, but all this silliness was in the first one too. That one just had better pacing though, which is really the only reason I'd say it was a better film.