What? SONY to Post LOSS, First in 14 years - Looks Like Blu N' PS3's Aren't Enough

[Pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Flex Mentallo

I can't see how that applies to Gizmo's original comment about the PS3's December sales.

HD DVD is dead and that has nothing to do with how the PS3 faired this past holiday season.

The point isn't how it fared, the point is how it did not fare, it wasn't destroyed. Maybe if you are going to argue strictly from a gamer's point of view that it misperformed you might have a point. But the PS3 has not been selling strictly as a video-game console, and this is the key clarification many of the ex-HDDVD supporters fail to recognize. If the PS3 was marketed strictly as a game-console, and in a gaming market, then by all means come forward and offer your insinuations (Gizmo). But given the fact that the PS3 has been also actively marketed as a Blu-ray hardware device, which also entails Blu-ray only capabilities, I don't see where your comfort for speculating comes from. With other words, there is more than enough positive movement that we've witnessed on the Blu-ray market this holiday season, particularly looking at recent software numbers, that gives me comfort to state what I did earlier.

Originally Posted by Flex Mentallo

You know, I looked up that film you mentioned, Le Femme Publique. Looks interesting. Then I noticed the price for that box set on Amazon is $40 while the Casablanca blu ray is $41 and change.

Both boxsets are somewhat similar in collectables (booklet, lobby cards, documentaries/commentaries). The major difference being Casablanca is in HD while Le Femme Publique is standard def (and limited to 2000 copies).

From a pricing standpoint both are nearly equally priced which on one hand shows blu ray pricing coming down to an afffordable mass market threshold. On the other - and this is the big issue I have with it and maybe Gizmo too - is the fact that I've never seen the HD DVD of Casablanca retail for more than $25, even at Best Buy and at the height of the HD format war. Even with these so called extras that supposedly warrant a $15 price hike verses the HD DVD, the BD owner is getting gouged on Casablanca.

Look, this whole consumer-unfriendly intifada a few on this forum have unleashed has very little to do with the consumer. Let's just agree on that. Plain and simple, there will always be someone who would demand that his/her consumer friendly price point is met. With other words, the majority of the observations in this thread addressing the consumer are nothing more than the same old rhetoric we heard during the war from the "consumer-lost" proponents. This is my opinion, and I stand firmly behind it.

Now, the reason why I brought La Femme Publique into the discussion is because I find it to be a perfect example showing why the "consumer-lost" proponents are off yet again. With other words, if a small independent company believes that such a niche title is good to promote at such a high price in a market (DVD) with such a large number of dedicated hardware devices...did the consumer lose with DVD as well? If I wanted the movie-version only of La Femme Publique why am I not given the opportunity to own one for a "consumer-friendly" price?

With other words, everything the ex-HDDVD backers have thrown down at Blu-ray in an attempt to negate its stellar progression has been so ineffective and transparent that it practically defeats itself the moment it is actually posted here.

Ciao,
Pro-B

[BettiePage]

Originally Posted by gijoela

Thanks for the numbers... but 360 had a year head start right? So roughly 3 years for the 360 vs 2 years for the PS3...

Hmmm... so 27.37 divide by 3 = 9.123, times 2 = 18.247 roughly for 360.

vs the PS3 with 19.46... so at comparable time span the PS3 is doing better than the 360?! Thanks!

[stevo4]

So, what you are saying is, that Sony need to carry the console for another year.

ie sell it a loss, in order to stay in touch with the xbox wrt sales?

In second place.
Well behind first place.

And what will they do when Nintendo bring out a Hi Def version of the Wii.
Reported/rumoured to be coming some time in 2012.

[Squozen]

Originally Posted by BettiePage

Thanks for the numbers... but 360 had a year head start right? So roughly 3 years for the 360 vs 2 years for the PS3...

Hmmm... so 27.37 divide by 3 = 9.123, times 2 = 18.247 roughly for 360.

vs the PS3 with 19.46... so at comparable time span the PS3 is doing better than the 360?! Thanks!

Thanks, you saved me the time that I was going to spend making a graph.

The Wii is not relevant to this discussion as it has not stolen the market from the PS3 or 360, but instead created a new one. Hence Microsoft trying to muscle in on it by dropping the price (and still being outsold by the Wii two-to-one).

If Toyota (Toyota, for Christ's sake!) is posting a loss this year, I hardly see how Sony could have made a profit.

[tonyb]

Originally Posted by stevo4

And what will they do when Nintendo bring out a Hi Def version of the Wii.
Reported/rumoured to be coming some time in 2012.

i dont know about them, but i'll be happily watching blu ray films for the next 3+ years

and if the wii hd is the end all of entertainment devices then i'll happily buy one of those and flap my arms in the front room in time to the film

[GeorgeKaplan]

Originally Posted by gijoela

In case you didn't know, DVD replicator machines were easily and cheaply able to be converted to HD DVD replicating, with blu ray on the other hand needing all new machinery.

Good post !!!!!!!!
If warner would have decided to support HD DVD exclusive again like they did in the beginning we now would have dozens plants around the world upgraded to HD DVD giving every studio fair access to HiDef.

I am especially sorry that MEDUSA Entertainment who owns the Argento's is now not interested to release anything in HiDef.
But I can understand that they have no desire to pay these outrages licence fees to Sony.

[codboymt]

lol! That someone would immediately blame the PS3 and Blu-ray for SONY losses is pure flamebait. Hello laptop batteries! Huge contributor I'm afraid.

[stevo4]

Originally Posted by codboymt

lol! That someone would immediately blame the PS3 and Blu-ray for SONY losses is pure flamebait. Hello laptop batteries! Huge contributor I'm afraid.

Like blu-ray and the PS3.
Not soley the blame for Sony's loss.
I dont think that anyone being reasonable sees it that way.

But like the laptop battery issue, a contributor to their predicament.

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by GeorgeKaplan

Good post !!!!!!!!
If warner would have decided to support HD DVD exclusive again like they did in the beginning we now would have dozens plants around the world upgraded to HD DVD giving every studio fair access to HiDef.

I am especially sorry that MEDUSA Entertainment who owns the Argento's is now not interested to release anything in HiDef.
But I can understand that they have no desire to pay these outrages licence fees to Sony.

Fair access?

[Squozen]

Originally Posted by GeorgeKaplan

Good post !!!!!!!!
If warner would have decided to support HD DVD exclusive again like they did in the beginning we now would have dozens plants around the world upgraded to HD DVD giving every studio fair access to HiDef.

If you wanted them to do that you should have bought more Warner discs when they first commented that they were planning to drop support for one format depending on the Christmas sales for '07. I know when I heard that I immediately ordered three Warner Blu-ray discs.

I guess a lot of other people did too. Money talks in this world, and Blu-ray purchasers gave Warner more of it.

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by GeorgeKaplan

I am especially sorry that MEDUSA Entertainment who owns the Argento's is now not interested to release anything in HiDef.

Good thing that Blue Underground is:

[michealo]

not sure how this got to 5 pages

closing for obvious reasons.