What? SONY to Post LOSS, First in 14 years - Looks Like Blu N' PS3's Aren't Enough

[Rich86]

Now that I have looked over this thread, someone needs to explain what HD-DVD has to do with any of its contents, starting with the original post . . beyond being the thing some blu folks rush to when they don't know what else to say . . . explain to me again what HD-DVD has to do with any of this . .

[vikingfan]

Originally Posted by crazzeto

Even combined you can still get an x-box 360 + solid bluray player at the same price

A consumer can get a the worst of both formats with your logic. A BD player that's not as good as the PS3, and a Xbox360 that's inferior to the higher priced model.

[vikingfan]

Originally Posted by Rich86

Now that I have looked over this thread, someone needs to explain what HD-DVD has to do with any of its contents, starting with the original post . .

Besides a bitter HDDVD owner making his own conclusions, and using a flamebait header? Nothing.

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by bluskiessmingatme

No, I had...but not for awhile. It just seems so ludicrous to hear that figure now and realize that certain HD DVD diehards...I won't mention names, vinnie97...that think Blu's player sales...what is it now, 10 million?...is not doing well at all. And that a possible $750 million in disc sales is nothing because it fell short of the $1 billion apparently predicted before the economy completely collapsed.

I get what you're saying....some grapes are seemingly infinitely sour.

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by Rich86

Now that I have looked over this thread, someone needs to explain what HD-DVD has to do with any of its contents, starting with the original post

I'm still waiting to hear what Blu-ray has exactly to do with the original article.

As far as I can tell, the only thing this thread should be about is the OP's inability to read. This whole thread is worthless, and gijoela I think deserves all the blame for that.

[Pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Rich86

Now that I have looked over this thread, someone needs to explain what HD-DVD has to do with any of its contents, starting with the original post . . beyond being the thing some blu folks rush to when they don't know what else to say . . . explain to me again what HD-DVD has to do with any of this . .

Well, this is quite an ironic request you have there, so I hope someone comes forward and addresses your concern at once. I personally like to address the topics at hand from a variety of different angles.

This being said, I am certain there are plenty of people around here who wonder how your consistent inclusion of relates to the majority of the topics you argue about. For the record, I do not.

Pro-B

[DrunkRaba]

Originally Posted by gijoela

Let's see, wow, how *stupid* is this reality.

Sales of blu ray titles drop off tremendously in just the second week of release many times. That shows enthusiasts are still fueling a struggling format, IMO.

Just had to point this out as it seemed to be missed by most with the awesomeness that is this thread. Now I may not be the most educated person in the world, but do DVD sales generally rise after the first week sales of a movie? I seemed to think they were usually like games and got their largest gain in units sold the first week. Perhaps I am just being silly. That would make DVD a struggling format, In Your Opinion, of course.

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by DrunkRaba

Just had to point this out as it seemed to be missed by most with the awesomeness that is this thread. Now I may not be the most educated person in the world, but do DVD sales generally rise after the first week sales of a movie? I seemed to think they were usually like games and got their largest gain in units sold the first week. Perhaps I am just being silly. That would make DVD a struggling format, In Your Opinion, of course.

When somebody critisizes Blu-ray for large drop-offs from the initial weeks of sales, talking about that like it unique to Blu-ray...as opposed to expected...it is a clear sign of how utterly ignorant that person is.

Which makes any commentary by gijoela about how bad sales are completely useless. The guy has no clue what he's talking about.

[DrunkRaba]

Originally Posted by kowhite

When somebody critisizes Blu-ray for large drop-offs from the initial weeks of sales, talking about that like it unique to Blu-ray...as opposed to expected...it is a clear sign of how utterly ignorant that person is.

Which makes any commentary by gijoela about how bad sales are completely useless. The guy has no clue what he's talking about.

Thanks, filed to memory, such as it is anymore at least.

[Malanthius]

Hey gijoela, I was an supporter. Now I support BR. Really what choice do I have? A lot of what you say is true. But the fact of the matter is that there is no way to prove to anyone. Especially some of these guys in here. That BR would have done any worse or better if the economy wasn't in the toilet right now. It's funny that some like to say that BR and or home entertainment is immune to the economy. But at the same time say it's holding it back. Which is it guys?

[DrunkRaba]

Originally Posted by Malanthius

Hey gijoela, I was an supporter. Now I support BR. Really what choice do I have? A lot of what you say is true. But the fact of the matter is that there is no way to prove to anyone. Especially some of these guys in here. That BR would have done any worse or better if the economy wasn't in the toilet right now. It's funny that some like to say that BR and or home entertainment is immune to the economy. But at the same time say it's holding it back. Which is it guys?

Personally, given the economy, I would say anything that requires money to use or have, is suffering. But that's just me.

[kowhite]

Originally Posted by Malanthius

It's funny that some like to say that BR and or home entertainment is immune to the economy. But at the same time say it's holding it back. Which is it guys?

It is affected, just not as severely as other markets can be. Maybe you should take some time and pay attention to the market. An informed opinion is a good thing.

[Flex Mentallo]

Originally Posted by Pro-bassoonist

There is no need for me to get over anything as I never embraced the thing you did. With other words, as long as there are fabrications and insinuations with negative implications to Blu-ray's market performance I think that bringing up its failed HD competitor is justified.

I can't see how that applies to Gizmo's original comment about the PS3's December sales.

HD DVD is dead and that has nothing to do with how the PS3 faired this past holiday season.

To the comment below I believe I provided an advanced rebuttal. It would appear, however, that you did not detect it:


...so here it is again:
One year later: Warner's decision proved correct



Let me know if you are having trouble putting the dots together. I will be happy to further address your pricing insinuation.

Pro-B

You know, I looked up that film you mentioned, Le Femme Publique. Looks interesting. Then I noticed the price for that box set on Amazon is $40 while the Casablanca blu ray is $41 and change.

Both boxsets are somewhat similar in collectables (booklet, lobby cards, documentaries/commentaries). The major difference being Casablanca is in HD while Le Femme Publique is standard def (and limited to 2000 copies).

From a pricing standpoint both are nearly equally priced which on one hand shows blu ray pricing coming down to an afffordable mass market threshold. On the other - and this is the big issue I have with it and maybe Gizmo too - is the fact that I've never seen the HD DVD of Casablanca retail for more than $25, even at Best Buy and at the height of the HD format war. Even with these so called extras that supposedly warrant a $15 price hike verses the HD DVD, the BD owner is getting gouged on Casablanca.

What makes this worse, you can't even buy a movie only release like what WB has done for Forbidden Planet, Blade Runner, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and the re-release of A Christmas Story. If you want the movie only version of Casablanca in high def you have to buy the HD DVD.

It's good to have a masterpiece in Casablanca on blu and it improves the status of the blu ray format immenseley, even if for bragging rights alone. However, WB's high def double dipping pricing policy on this release is not consumer friendly.

[tonyb]

Originally Posted by sneakypete

enuf said

[recmasters]

Originally Posted by Rich86

Now that I have looked over this thread, someone needs to explain what HD-DVD has to do with any of its contents, starting with the original post . . beyond being the thing some blu folks rush to when they don't know what else to say . . . explain to me again what HD-DVD has to do with any of this . .

Hear you go rich:

Originally Posted by gijoela

[b]Needless to say, all of the hand clappers regarding Toshiba's losses can now eat some de-licious hay! You see, what goes around comes around[b]

Now, I want you to explain to me and everyone else what he is talking about if not ? Don't hurt yourself trying to come up with some other explination. The only thing toshiba lost was the format war!

And don't give me that "I have a Blu-ray player now" non-sense. I have an player myself doesn't mean I ever supported . On the other hand you support Blu now but wish you didn't have too. And if something came along that acctually gave a run for its money you'd be one of the first to jump ship, it's to obvious