What? SONY to Post LOSS, First in 14 years - Looks Like Blu N' PS3's Aren't Enough

[DaveS1138]

Originally Posted by gijoela

The wii has sold three times the number of PS3's and has NO DVD player, No Blu Ray player and is still, still the most popular gaming console. Why don't you spend time explaining why the PS3 is in 3rd place. Is it the economy? It's price? It's failure rate? It's performance? It's lack of memory? It's lack of games? None of those are true. So why is it? By all accounts, it should be the MOST popular device on the market with the best value. But consumers just don't see blu in it. A sad fact.

Its the price

The most expensive console is the one that sells the least.........well, Duh!

Seriously......you need people to spell this out for you?

[Merrick97]

Originally Posted by gijoela

In fact I am not upset at all. More players mean more software sold, doh. What is a fact is that the PS3 is the THIRD SELLING console with an EXCLUSIVE BLU RAY PLAYER on board! That is a sad fact buddy.

The Dark Knight saved the day for now. For now. What movie coming on Blu Ray will bolster sales in this next quarter? Little Miss Sunshine? What film from the last quarter of '08 at the box office will make the 2nd quarter great for Blu? Marley and Me?

The wii has sold three times the number of PS3's and has NO DVD player, No Blu Ray player and is still, still the most popular gaming console. Why don't you spend time explaining why the PS3 is in 3rd place. Is it the economy? It's price? It's failure rate? It's performance? It's lack of memory? It's lack of games? None of those are true. So why is it? By all accounts, it should be the MOST popular device on the market with the best value. But consumers just don't see blu in it. A sad fact.

Dude, you have LOST me. I now have no clue where you are going with any of this. You're not making any points whatsoever. You keep going back and forth between the PS3, Sony and bluray. The success of Sony and the PS3 does not depend on the success of bluray.

It is a well known fact that the PS3 is in third place. I blame this on the price of the console. $399 is too much compared to the competition regardless of games. The PS3 isnt failing.

The original xbox only sold 24 million in 4 years of its existence. The PS3 in two years, ACCORDING TO THE CHART you posted is 19.46M after just two years. The original xbox only had 13.7 million sold at this time.

Bottom line:
Neither the PS3 OR BLURAY ARE FAILING.

YOU ARE!!!!!!

However, the PS3 is not going to make any significant gains unless they cut the price. At $399, its no longer a great value for people who want bluray since great players can be had for $250.

It did its job as a bluray player and now its time to do its job as a gaming console.


Im outta here. Im not responding to any more of your crap.

[gijoela]

Originally Posted by DaveS1138

Its the price

The most expensive console is the one that sells the least.........well, Duh!

Seriously......you need people to spell this out for you?

Oh, ok that's it. Yeah, go tell that to the throngs of gamers who scream cry and steal from mommy and daddy to have the coolest console buddy with the coolest games.

If the wii was lame no one would buy it at any fucking price. It's the hottest selling console because families as a whole fucking love it, yeah love it with out a dvd player and most importantly with no blu ray player on board.

By the way, I got my nephew whose 9 years old a wii because he wanted it this christmas. Oh, and I got my sister the wii fit which basically brought the cost with one extra controller to well over the price of the current PS3.

Your argument just deflated and fast. Poof!

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by bluskiessmingatme

It's so funny, the one company they never show hatred towards is the one who deserted them, left them high and dry with just an "Oh, well." Toshiba (which I think is Japanese for their response to HD DVD fans, "Tough shit.")

Not true, they provided firmware updates to improve compatibility as recently as fall 2008 if I'm not mistaken. What else would you have them do? Issue full refunds for all ~1 million purchases? When the Dreamcast failed, I didn't receive any bailout measures or refunds from Sega.

[DaveS1138]

Originally Posted by gijoela

Oh, ok that's it. Yeah, go tell that to the throngs of gamers who scream cry and steal from mommy and daddy to have the coolest console buddy with the coolest games.

If the wii was lame no one would buy it at any fucking price. It's the hottest selling console because families as a whole fucking love it, yeah love it with out a dvd player and most importantly with no blu ray player on board.

By the way, I got my nephew whose 9 years old a wii because he wanted it this christmas. Oh, and I got my sister the wii fit which basically brought the cost with one extra controller to well over the price of the current PS3.

Your argument just deflated and fast. Poof!

So your telling me that if the PS3 had dropped to half its price before Christmas that it wouldnt have sold any more consoles than it did????

Wow.......what's life like on your planet? Do they let you play with sharp objects there

The PS3 is in last place because it is significantly more expensive than the other 2 consoles.......

[crazzeto]

Oh please this the PS3 is lame crud is just sillyness... It's a great peice of hardware and if you don't believe it then well... you're blind and that's all there is too it. The problem with the PS3 is n't that it's lame, it's that it's very expensive, both as a bluray player or a console... Even combined you can still get an x-box 360 + solid bluray player at the same price, and your game cataloge is going to be bigger. Sony needs to lower the price of the PS3 and that's all there is too it, sucks for them that doing so is easier said than done. Frankly at least right now it appears that sony might not have many options other than to take a hit this game generation in the name of bluray.

[tolitzpogi]

Thread belongs in game smackdown... the OP is obviously getting his panties in a bunch exclusively for the PS3

Or is the OP ready to prove me wrong and contradict himself in the process?

- T

[Lee Stewart]

Originally Posted by DaveS1138

So your telling me that if the PS3 had dropped to half its price before Christmas that it wouldnt have sold any more consoles than it did????

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda . . . but THAT didn't happen.

Gee - you think if the auto companies cut the price of their cars by 50% they might sell some?

The PS3 is in last place because it is significantly more expensive than the other 2 consoles.......

Yep - Sony has know about this problem for quite some time. And it has cost them BILLIONS in the process. Still is costing them money - on each console they sell.

[Elee s]

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda . . . but THAT didn't happen.

Gee - you think if the auto companies cut the price of their cars by 50% they might sell some?

Yep - Sony has know about this problem for quite some time. And it has cost them BILLIONS in the process. Still is costing them money - on each console they sell.

Do we really need you repeating what he just said?

[DaveS1138]

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda . . . but THAT didn't happen.

Gee - you think if the auto companies cut the price of their cars by 50% they might sell some?



Yep - Sony has know about this problem for quite some time. And it has cost them BILLIONS in the process. Still is costing them money - on each console they sell.

Whilst I'm glad to see you agree with me that seems a long winded way to do it

[bluskiessmingatme]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Not true, they provided firmware updates to improve compatibility as recently as fall 2008 if I'm not mistaken. What else would you have them do? Issue full refunds for all ~1 million purchases? When the Dreamcast failed, I didn't receive any bailout measures or refunds from Sega.

Compatability for what? New HD DVD discs? And, yeah, money back would be good. Hell, BB did it, I believe CC did it. But I recall the CEO of Toshiba saying when he called it quits for HD DVD that the buyers of it knew the risk being early adopters and there would be no compensation. (And, LOL, only 1 million purchases? And HD DVD fans say the player sales Blu has achieved so far is a failure? Weird way looking at statistics...must go back to their "attach rate." If I didn't know better, I would swear that Jodi Sally is on these boards under one of these naysayer screennames.)

[bluskiessmingatme]

Originally Posted by gijoela

I am not hot for it fail, I love HD, all things HD. I just cant handle the one-sided b.s. that is spewed from the same ten people on here.

So you create a thread (one of many) where you post an article about Sony (which never even mentions Blu-ray, by the way) and offered your one-sided pissy views about Blu and payback for Sony. Yeah, gee how wonderful that the economy is horrible, that unemployent has increased to a point not seen since the 1940s, that people are losing their homes...because, damn, it gives you a chance to post an article that Sony has a financial loss.

"Needless to say, all of the hand clappers regarding Toshiba's losses can now eat some de-licious hay! You see, what goes around comes around."

Yeah, I can see how you don't have a biased bone in your body.

[vinnie97]

Right, and Best Buy/Circuit City, et. al hadn't taken a multi-million (billion?) dollar bath on HD DVD...Re: fixes: Bugfixes with older discs, performance enhancements and, in some cases, feature enhancements (though I could be making that last one up ).

You mean you just now are hearing about the ~1 million figure of HD DVD hardware units sold at the point Toshiba capitulated?

[bluskiessmingatme]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

You mean you just now are hearing about the ~1 million figure of HD DVD hardware units sold at the point Toshiba capitulated?

No, I had...but not for awhile. It just seems so ludicrous to hear that figure now and realize that certain HD DVD diehards...I won't mention names, vinnie97...that think Blu's player sales...what is it now, 10 million?...is not doing well at all. And that a possible $750 million in disc sales is nothing because it fell short of the $1 billion apparently predicted before the economy completely collapsed.

[Pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

Oh slam! Still bringing up HD DVD a year later? Man you need to get over that.

There is no need for me to get over anything as I never embraced the thing you did. With other words, as long as there are fabrications and insinuations with negative implications to Blu-ray's market performance I think that bringing up its failed HD competitor is justified.

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

Hey, still waiting for response to that Warner comment you made yesterday while you were probably a bit tipsy. Please, let me know.

To the comment below I believe I provided an advanced rebuttal. It would appear, however, that you did not detect it:

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

Yes. Target wouldn't charge $34.99 for Beetlejuice if they didn't think they could sell a few copies of it. Yes, I know sale prices will knock it down in price, but the "everyday" price is still well ahead what Amazon's "everyday" price would be for it. But, as usual, most people don't understand that Target has far more employees to pay, rent, lights, etc etc etc. so they will typically always be higher than an online site.

...so here it is again:
One year later: Warner's decision proved correct

Originally Posted by Pro-bassoonist

Of course you do not need to mention Casablanca. If you are going to then come commenting on the current price for the DVD release of La Femme Publique, which was released just recently.

Pro-B

Let me know if you are having trouble putting the dots together. I will be happy to further address your pricing insinuation.

Pro-B