Will BD+ work?

[BluAngel]

I worry about things that are awfuly bad in the world and can not be solved.
Studios and film industry losing money due to piracy does not keep me awake.
There are plenty of things that are more a priority for me than the studios. They already make money. They are not on bankruptcy. They will not be on bankruptcy. The worst that can happen one day is that they will have to stop filming $250.000.000 movies and if that happens it will actually be better for the art film industry.

I really hope it does work though because it will mean that BR will be the most hated format outside of the US, where is common to see people buying copies of illegal movies. If it works , Blu Ray will not replace DVD outside of the US.

If you owned a business would you just accept that shoplifting occurs and not try to stop it? This is another "no matter what you do you can't stop it" but stores don't just accept it, they hire security, they add cameras, they put tracking labels on clothes, CD's, DVD's, they put expensive items behind glass, etc, etc, etc...

Is this a waste of their money since things will be stolen anyway?

My point is all you can do as a company is put as many obstacles in the way as possible and try to prevent as much theft as possible. Yes, this means a little inconvenience to us as customer but unfortunately that is just the price we pay. For example... I hate having to wait in a store for someone to open a case so I can buy a game but it hasn't prevented games from selling.

Vooswing answered you for me, divian. I was going to say what he said.

And just for the record, I don't lose sleep over it, either. I was simply making a comment. It's a shame that we, as consumers, have to wait for movies that we want because the studios producing the movies are worried about piracy. It's a shame that studios can't safely distribute legal copies of movies without someone redistributing it illegally. It's a darn shame. In the words of Rodney King... "Can't we all just get along?"

[hstewarth]

What I meant is that hackers will be able to play around with the anti piracy tecnology ( they are experts ) and do their illegal bussiness while we ( regular users ) will not be able to make copies of our movies if we want.
I personally do not make copies of movies since I do not believe in back ups of the hard media and I do not like digital media in movies.

Well if the system is dynamic, eventually the hackers will be force to give up especially it take more effort than its worth. BD+ sounds like it can be that way. I work on Operating systems for almost 7 years - a protected VM sound pretty hard to beat.

By the way, as for digital movies, that is what my HD DVR and TIVO are for.

[hstewarth]

That is the real advantage of BD+, actually. The specs above basically acknowledge that BD+ can be hacked via brute force, but the content itself is "watermarked" so that it becomes possible to track down the source. The studios truly aren't worried about individuals making a backup here or there, and they aren't even going to sweat a little bit of "sharing"...it's when a ripped movie shows up with 1500 Torrenters seeding the same file or an indonesian gray marketer starts selling it for $5 on the street, the studio can track it down to the source and shut down the bootlegging operation.

Well said - its not the single person backing up a file, its ones providing them on the internet. I wonder what it means by tracked down - do each disk have a seperate signature?

Some don't want to believe but mass bootleggers are actually hurting this business - Studios don't want to release content if it appears on internet for people to freely download.

[divian]

the studio can track it down to the source and shut down the bootlegging operation.

How are they going to do this?

You are going to need to do some explaining.

[divian]

Some don't want to believe but mass bootleggers are actually hurting this business - Studios don't want to release content if it appears on internet for people to freely download.

Once again ...people!!! This is not about people downloading the movies for free on the internet. This is about illegal distribution of hard copies.
The bussiness is not even on dowloading legal movies yet.
The piracy bussiness is on illegal distribution of hard copies.

[VC-1]

I'm gonna put my money on a month or less after the first discs come out with it.

[jadedeath]

I'm gonna put my money on a month or less after the first discs come out with it.

Probably around the same time that 360's get less than a 5% fail rate.

Logan

[divian]

I'm gonna put my money on a month or less after the first discs come out with it.

I bet you that there will be betting odds about this.

There will be people working day and night until they break it.

[VC-1]

I bet you that there will be betting odds about this.

There will be people working day and night until they break it.

Then the next question is, how fast will fox and disney pull every announced title they have when the news gets out it's cracked? Within a week i'd say.

[divian]

Then the next question is, how fast will fox and disney pull every announced title they have when the news gets out it's cracked? Within a week i'd say.

VC-1,

Have you ever seen the website of the people that developed BD+?
By the way the website looks...I would say that it will take 24 hours.

I think that if it really gets cracked, Disney will continue to release Blu Ray movies and Fox is always very umpredictible.

[zzap64]

So you think that BD+ being cracked will be a good thing? That it will somehow resurrect your precious HD DVD by encouraging the BD exclusive studios to release their movies on a 30GB instead 50GB disc, with no region coding, and now no copy protection? Keep dreaming. The only bonus of HD DVD is Universal catalogue titles. Warner and Paramount are releasing on both formats and Columbia/Tristar, Fox, MGM, Lionsgate, Disney/Buena Vista release exclusively on Blu-ray. If you are a fan of Universal's catalogue titles then buy HD DVD. If you want to watch the rest of Hollywood's movies then buy Blu-ray. It is certainly the safer bet.

[kowhite]

Then the next question is, how fast will fox and disney pull every announced title they have when the news gets out it's cracked? Within a week i'd say.

If this is what you really think, cracked might be a better description for you.

[Rob.D.inToronto]

BD+ will take a few months to break, but then there is a question about will it be BROKEN like CSS, or wounded, like AACS. From my very limited understanding of this stuff they first must reverse engineer what it does before they can .... you know.

I would hope that managed copy comes online soon so the pressure to break BD+ goes away.

BD+ won't be that popular except for the Fox/Disney crowd because it is complex, it may cause problems, it is costly, it takes a long time to do right and so delays title release.

By this time next year, even if broken, I hope that Disney start to release titles.

[polyh3dron]

I've never seen a thread about this before..

[divian]

So you think that BD+ being cracked will be a good thing? That it will somehow resurrect your precious HD DVD by encouraging the BD exclusive studios to release their movies on a 30GB instead 50GB disc, with no region coding, and now no copy protection? Keep dreaming. The only bonus of HD DVD is Universal catalogue titles. Warner and Paramount are releasing on both formats and Columbia/Tristar, Fox, MGM, Lionsgate, Disney/Buena Vista release exclusively on Blu-ray. If you are a fan of Universal's catalogue titles then buy HD DVD. If you want to watch the rest of Hollywood's movies then buy Blu-ray. It is certainly the safer bet.

Some of the BD exclusive studios are already releasing movies with no region code restrictions. ( this is not even good for the studios anymore anyway)
I guess the only advantage left would be the 30 GB issue that has been proved to be not a deal since even the Blu Ray studios are not using it.