Thread: "Red White and Blu-ray"
08-10-2008 05:31 PM #31
08-10-2008 05:35 PM #32
08-10-2008 10:03 PM #33
08-10-2008 10:45 PM #34
But seriously, getting paid to endorse things without officially endorsing them isn't a "conspiracy," it's just capitalism. It's up to you how sinister that is. All you described seem like pretty direct examples of possible paid plugs to me--after looking up Tom Leykis there doesn't seem to be much of a reason for him to mention dating sites by name in his "getting laid" advice, but he does; I haven't listened to the other show you mentioned, either, but mentioning brand names that often, much less comparing them talking about how one is better than the other, doesn't seem like compelling evidence that no compensation is ever involved.
Methinks you'd be how surprised at how ridiculous and crafty such things can get. I used to have a job at [a company I cannot mention because I signed a confidentiality agreement although I'm probably violating it anyway], where I and several other poorly paid college schmoes spent all day going anonymously into chat rooms and pretending just to have everyday conversations, but really bringing up [the company's new thing] over and over again and talking about how awesome it was. We didn't even get to see the [thing] we were talking about, since whether it was any good or not was irrelevant. That kind of practice isn't really very unusual, although apparently everyone goes out of their way to keep it quiet.: 145 and growing slowly.
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08-11-2008 12:46 AM #35
It's the over-generalizations in this topic that I find amusing. People think they know all about the business and make sweeping statements, but we all know that most of them are pretty much assuming things and/or don't know a thing about it and are just speaking out of their arses...
Credibility counts a lot when you smack people down in a smackdown forum - you can't smack people down if you don't attack their point and in the process their credibility. And since you just said your credibility doesn't matter, I wonder why you're wasting time in a smackdown forum where facts, opinions and credibility are questioned on a daily basis...
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08-11-2008 03:51 AM #37
Alright, Melody, as a massive HD DVD fan I've enjoyed many of your posts here over the last 7 months but I would not recommend putting yourself in league with Mikemorel, as that's a credibility line you're likely to regret crossing. If you haven't noticed, his posts are indeed of the "sour grapes," "grasping for straws" variety with an incessant "anything but Blu-ray even if it isn't HD or has a snowball's chance in hell likelihood of materializing" tone. To get saucy, it's a stance that's tiresome as fuck.
08-12-2008 08:31 AM #38
you know... my cred as an hd dvd supporter and a blu-ray skeptic amongst the blu-majority here doesn't matter to me at all otherwise i might never contribute in the smackdown forums to give my opinions.
and i fully respect mike morel and lee stewart for standing for what they believe in even if their stance is to unhinge the blu-ray community here. at this point, you are in the minority if you aren't embracing blu-ray as most of the hd dvd supporters don't bother coming into the smackdown forums anymore.
but i also fully respect that everybody else has the right to state their opinions even if i don't agree with them.
that said, i'll reiterate my stance on the OP and regardless of whether a radio personality or a celebrity is name dropping blu-ray or coca-cola, free advertising is not something usually done in film and broadcasting. it's why in movies and television cereal boxes and cans of beer are either completely fictitious or their placement has been paid for by the company and their brand names are properly displayed. ever wonder why apple computers are used in a lot of movies? their placement is PAID FOR by apple. or the computers are DONATED. cars? the trans-am in smokey and the bandit, three of them were given to the production of that film.
so take it or leave it, guys... not everything said is product placement, but it most certainly can be.
08-12-2008 08:20 PM #39
I get the impression that if BD someday becomes the standard home entertainment format the "HD-DVD supporters" of this board will be saying something to the effect of "Well people only bought into it because $ony paid for advertising, so it doesn't count. I'm still getting HD-DVDs at rock-bottom prices off eBay, so I'm content with what I have."RIP Kosty you are missed.
08-12-2008 08:41 PM #40
Although I know we are a long ways away yet, I just thought the casual way he said it, would hopefully be the norm someday soon. You know sort of like Scotch Tape?
"Pass me a Blu" would take on a completely new meaning (Kind of an inside Canada joke.Labatt Blue was a beer up here.) Instead of pass me a DVD.
08-12-2008 11:54 PM #41
but since this is the high definition smackdown forum, starting a thread about how a radio personality seemingly casually mentioned blu-ray on his radio show is open for scrutiny.
Forge created a thread about Blu-ray being brought up casually in the media, and you immediately responded with "the BDA paid him five grand to slip that in in a seemingly casual manner." What was the point of saying that, if nearly everything mentioned in the media is paid for? It seems like you are trying to dismiss the post as having no value.
I get the impression that if BD someday becomes the standard home entertainment format the "HD-DVD supporters" of this board will be saying something to the effect of "Well people only bought into it because $ony paid for advertising, so it doesn't count. I'm still getting HD-DVDs at rock-bottom prices off eBay, so I'm content with what I have."
if you want to focus on the fact that i still have very little faith that the BDA is going to be able to convince the rest of the world that blu-ray has value and the part of my comment that says "people get paid to endorse products" so you can insult the hd dvd supporters on this board, it doesn't really provide anyone confidence in people that do support high definition.
08-13-2008 01:04 AM #42
Melody Melody, big HD DVD supporter here, again...but if you can't see at this juncture that MikeMorel and Lestat (Lee Stewart not so much) are only championing HD-lite (or products that shouldn't even be classified as HD) to spite Blu-ray, then I guess you're not reading the same posts as me.
08-13-2008 06:54 PM #43
just thought I'd say that.
08-18-2008 11:41 AM #44
RIP Kosty you are missed.