"Red White and Blu-ray"

[tolitzpogi]

fuck my credibility.

Yeah, you just did

We'll take all of your opinions in the same light... enjoy YOUR weekend

- T

[tolitzpogi]

When you are on the verge of a meltdown from a verbal smackdown, reach for the word of comfort.

Well said... makes you wonder who the REAL kid is in all these discussions

p.s. oh yeah, FUCK!

- T

[melodywhore]

Yeah, you just did

We'll take all of your opinions in the same light... enjoy YOUR weekend

- T

i hate to break it to you but my credibility stands right where yours and every other anonymous web persona stands so you can stop trying to bait me.

thanks.

[krylonman]

Wouldn't be in the realm of impossibility... actually, I can safely say it happens a lot...

There's this radio program I often listen to in LA called 'Frosty, Heidi and Frank', and they mention a shitload of different brand names in their discussions every freakin' day... ranging from Trojans and Vagisil, to McDonald's and Babies R' Us... heck, they even have a particular theme in most days, discussing competing products from the same industry... So yes, I CAN imagine someone mentioning or even plugging a product just coz they feel like it or it matches their discussion... not every freakin radio or TV program is about product placement, regardless of what your favorite paranoid conpiracy theorist tells you...

Hell, ever listen to Tom Leykis slam date sites and social networking sites, and then promote them so that guys can get easy head? Too much Rush Limbaugh on your program list, dude...

- T

First of all, ewwww. Please don't even suggest I listen to Rush Limbaugh. Not Cool. Call my mother a tramp; anything else. But not that.


But seriously, getting paid to endorse things without officially endorsing them isn't a "conspiracy," it's just capitalism. It's up to you how sinister that is. All you described seem like pretty direct examples of possible paid plugs to me--after looking up Tom Leykis there doesn't seem to be much of a reason for him to mention dating sites by name in his "getting laid" advice, but he does; I haven't listened to the other show you mentioned, either, but mentioning brand names that often, much less comparing them talking about how one is better than the other, doesn't seem like compelling evidence that no compensation is ever involved.

Methinks you'd be how surprised at how ridiculous and crafty such things can get. I used to have a job at [a company I cannot mention because I signed a confidentiality agreement although I'm probably violating it anyway], where I and several other poorly paid college schmoes spent all day going anonymously into chat rooms and pretending just to have everyday conversations, but really bringing up [the company's new thing] over and over again and talking about how awesome it was. We didn't even get to see the [thing] we were talking about, since whether it was any good or not was irrelevant. That kind of practice isn't really very unusual, although apparently everyone goes out of their way to keep it quiet.

[tolitzpogi]

But seriously, getting paid to endorse things without officially endorsing them isn't a "conspiracy," it's just capitalism. It's up to you how sinister that is. All you described seem like pretty direct examples of possible paid plugs to me--after looking up Tom Leykis there doesn't seem to be much of a reason for him to mention dating sites by name in his "getting laid" advice, but he does; I haven't listened to the other show you mentioned, either, but mentioning brand names that often, much less comparing them talking about how one is better than the other, doesn't seem like compelling evidence that no compensation is ever involved.

Methinks you'd be how surprised at how ridiculous and crafty such things can get. I used to have a job at [a company I cannot mention because I signed a confidentiality agreement although I'm probably violating it anyway], where I and several other poorly paid college schmoes spent all day going anonymously into chat rooms and pretending just to have everyday conversations, but really bringing up [the company's new thing] over and over again and talking about how awesome it was. We didn't even get to see the [thing] we were talking about, since whether it was any good or not was irrelevant. That kind of practice isn't really very unusual, although apparently everyone goes out of their way to keep it quiet.

My point in all this is that some people here treat that VERY SINGLE TIME a brand name is mentioned on the radio, someone is getting paid... it's almost as ridiculous to assume that it does happen. As I said, sometimes people just mention things for the hell of it. Does that mean they're not getting paid for plugging brand names? Never said that. But does that also mean they get paid every single time for every word they mention at ever hour in every day? See how ridiculous that sounds?

It's the over-generalizations in this topic that I find amusing. People think they know all about the business and make sweeping statements, but we all know that most of them are pretty much assuming things and/or don't know a thing about it and are just speaking out of their arses...

i hate to break it to you but my credibility stands right where yours and every other anonymous web persona stands so you can stop trying to bait me.

Hate to break it to you but as much as you assume your credibility (or lack thereof) is as equal and inconsequential as anyone else's, they DO affect how people take your posts... and if you don't care about how other people think about what you say, then don't why do you post replies to people criticizing your point? Telling them to fuck themselves for assuming that you care what they think actually just proves that you DO care what they think, otherwise you'll just do what mikemorel does - post a flamebait thread and leave, and let the people like you and me argue over the crumbs

Credibility counts a lot when you smack people down in a smackdown forum - you can't smack people down if you don't attack their point and in the process their credibility. And since you just said your credibility doesn't matter, I wonder why you're wasting time in a smackdown forum where facts, opinions and credibility are questioned on a daily basis...

- T

[view-it-purple]

you read my posts through your fucking blu-goggles, buddy. and you know that i was an hd dvd supporter, so just like the rest of the blu-nuggies that are STILL posting in the smackdown forums, any old hd dvd'er that's still hanging around must still be whinging and moping about hd dvd's demise. the point is who gives a flying fuck if i ever buy a blu-ray player? are you going to cry yourself to sleep every night because of it? i didn't think so.

i don't have to rationalize my own personal decisions about my home theatre choices to any of you as it is not a pre-requisite to posting in the smackdown forums nor on this goddamned board.

but just like you, i have the same right to give my opinions. if you don't like it, that's just fine. but stop attacking me (and mike morel and lee stewart and whoever else you fuckers rag on continually) based on these home theatre opinions. you're supposed to be attacking the post and not the poster anyway.

enjoy the rest of your weekend.

To recap ...

you're supposed to be attacking the post and not the poster anyway.
"blu-nuggies"
"you fuckers"

R U upset do you need a hug?

[vinnie97]

Alright, Melody, as a massive HD DVD fan I've enjoyed many of your posts here over the last 7 months but I would not recommend putting yourself in league with Mikemorel, as that's a credibility line you're likely to regret crossing. If you haven't noticed, his posts are indeed of the "sour grapes," "grasping for straws" variety with an incessant "anything but Blu-ray even if it isn't HD or has a snowball's chance in hell likelihood of materializing" tone. To get saucy, it's a stance that's tiresome as fuck.

[melodywhore]

you know... my cred as an hd dvd supporter and a blu-ray skeptic amongst the blu-majority here doesn't matter to me at all otherwise i might never contribute in the smackdown forums to give my opinions.

and i fully respect mike morel and lee stewart for standing for what they believe in even if their stance is to unhinge the blu-ray community here. at this point, you are in the minority if you aren't embracing blu-ray as most of the hd dvd supporters don't bother coming into the smackdown forums anymore.

but i also fully respect that everybody else has the right to state their opinions even if i don't agree with them.

that said, i'll reiterate my stance on the OP and regardless of whether a radio personality or a celebrity is name dropping blu-ray or coca-cola, free advertising is not something usually done in film and broadcasting. it's why in movies and television cereal boxes and cans of beer are either completely fictitious or their placement has been paid for by the company and their brand names are properly displayed. ever wonder why apple computers are used in a lot of movies? their placement is PAID FOR by apple. or the computers are DONATED. cars? the trans-am in smokey and the bandit, three of them were given to the production of that film.

so take it or leave it, guys... not everything said is product placement, but it most certainly can be.

[MrAngles]

so take it or leave it, guys... not everything said is product placement, but it most certainly can be.

If that's the case, why even bring it up in the first place? Forge created a thread about Blu-ray being brought up casually in the media, and you immediately responded with "the BDA paid him five grand to slip that in in a seemingly casual manner." What was the point of saying that, if nearly everything mentioned in the media is paid for? It seems like you are trying to dismiss the post as having no value.

I get the impression that if BD someday becomes the standard home entertainment format the "HD-DVD supporters" of this board will be saying something to the effect of "Well people only bought into it because $ony paid for advertising, so it doesn't count. I'm still getting HD-DVDs at rock-bottom prices off eBay, so I'm content with what I have."

[Forge]

Although I know we are a long ways away yet, I just thought the casual way he said it, would hopefully be the norm someday soon. You know sort of like Scotch Tape?

"Pass me a Blu" would take on a completely new meaning (Kind of an inside Canada joke.Labatt Blue was a beer up here.) Instead of pass me a DVD.

[melodywhore]

If that's the case, why even bring it up in the first place?

i've said it before and i'll say it again: if you want to have a general conversation about blu-ray being brought up in the media, then do it in the format specific forums.

but since this is the high definition smackdown forum, starting a thread about how a radio personality seemingly casually mentioned blu-ray on his radio show is open for scrutiny.

Forge created a thread about Blu-ray being brought up casually in the media, and you immediately responded with "the BDA paid him five grand to slip that in in a seemingly casual manner." What was the point of saying that, if nearly everything mentioned in the media is paid for? It seems like you are trying to dismiss the post as having no value.

are you suprised? any non-blu tooting thread instantly attracts about 3-5 regular blu-boys so they can dismiss the thread especially if it's authored by mike morel or lee stewart or lestat or any of the other blu-ray skeptics on this board.

I get the impression that if BD someday becomes the standard home entertainment format the "HD-DVD supporters" of this board will be saying something to the effect of "Well people only bought into it because $ony paid for advertising, so it doesn't count. I'm still getting HD-DVDs at rock-bottom prices off eBay, so I'm content with what I have."

this is the kind of blind nonsensical comment i've come to expect from the blu-ray evangelists of this board. read my other posts in this thread. my initial comment was written to sting, but i did back off of it to state that while it's possible that the brand name dropping wasn't paid, it's also possible that it was.

if you want to focus on the fact that i still have very little faith that the BDA is going to be able to convince the rest of the world that blu-ray has value and the part of my comment that says "people get paid to endorse products" so you can insult the hd dvd supporters on this board, it doesn't really provide anyone confidence in people that do support high definition.

[vinnie97]

Melody Melody, big HD DVD supporter here, again...but if you can't see at this juncture that MikeMorel and Lestat (Lee Stewart not so much) are only championing HD-lite (or products that shouldn't even be classified as HD) to spite Blu-ray, then I guess you're not reading the same posts as me.

[Arkadin]

nice headline!
just thought I'd say that.

[MrAngles]

i've said it before and i'll say it again: if you want to have a general conversation about blu-ray being brought up in the media, then do it in the format specific forums.

but since this is the high definition smackdown forum, starting a thread about how a radio personality seemingly casually mentioned blu-ray on his radio show is open for scrutiny.

are you suprised? any non-blu tooting thread instantly attracts about 3-5 regular blu-boys so they can dismiss the thread especially if it's authored by mike morel or lee stewart or lestat or any of the other blu-ray skeptics on this board.

I guess for some reason prior to this thread, while I knew that you aren't buying into blu-ray for whatever reason, I didn't think you were one of those people who simply reach for or fabricate "evidence" for the sole purpose of debunking anything that you deem to be "pro blu-ray."

this is the kind of blind nonsensical comment i've come to expect from the blu-ray evangelists of this board. read my other posts in this thread. my initial comment was written to sting, but i did back off of it to state that while it's possible that the brand name dropping wasn't paid, it's also possible that it was.

if you want to focus on the fact that i still have very little faith that the BDA is going to be able to convince the rest of the world that blu-ray has value and the part of my comment that says "people get paid to endorse products" so you can insult the hd dvd supporters on this board, it doesn't really provide anyone confidence in people that do support high definition.

It doesn't seem nonsensical to me, certainly not as nonsensical as thinking that whether someone was paid or not alters the value of blu-ray being mentioned casually in the media. I don't intend to be insulting when I question the validity of the term "HD-DVD supporters" when HD-DVD is no longer a viable format, and you and anyone else can choose to not purchase blu-ray products for whatever reason and for as long as you like, I'm not selling the format. But as far as the BDA convincing anyone of anything, I just don't follow you. Ask the thousands or so j6p's who bought progressive scan or upscaling dvd players who "convinced" them to buy those players when they only have 480i tvs, and let me know what the answer is. I'm not sure how much faith is needed here.