06-12-2008 07:40 PM #151
As far as I'm concerned, I don't have my HD DVD equipment anymore and some people could make efforts to make screenshots of different frames with the bit rates and give you that proof, but I don't think anyone at this point gives a shit because it's a lesson in futility in regards to HD DVD vs Blu-ray...since obviously HD DVD is not a supported format as we move forward...
I do have to mention as devil's advocate, you also have to prove that there is no difference as much as anyone has to prove that there _IS_ a difference.
06-12-2008 07:46 PM #152
06-12-2008 07:57 PM #153
The things we do know are that with the movie taking up more of the bandwidth of total bitrate, it allows for less concurrent things to occur, which may actually limit extras and special features.
I guess it's the studios job to balance extras for bit rate bandwidth with the original movie and audio.
Albeit, I would buy say the superbit version of a BD movie if it was offered without ANY extras...and just maxed out video and lossless audio.
06-13-2008 03:39 AM #154
BD25s are not as likely to get benefits out of the bitrate because the space is a constraint, HD DVD 30GBs almost did not need more bandwidth becuase the space again was a constraint.
BD50s have both the space available to allow a larger file size to take advantage of the higher bandwidth and the higher max bit rate.
06-13-2008 03:46 AM #155
But Blu-ray hardware is arriving now on the market and enough Blu-ray replication infrastructure investment is happening now to make those HD DVD advantages kinda quaint sounding now.
Blu-ray specs are nice to have now as we are seeing mass market production of hardware and BD50s coming to retail and to consumers.
06-13-2008 03:53 AM #156
The action sequences and gun battles in the town, just look, ....well amazing.
Its worth buying the disc just to show of your system.
06-13-2008 04:00 AM #157
One of the things I learned at CES this year, was the Warner technical people said not only that BD50 production and replication capacity was projected to be getting much better, but that the AVC encoding tools and BD-J authoring tools were also getting much better and easier to use and therefore the technical potential of Blu-ray specification wise was more likely to be realistically and economically available for use.
The evolution of BD50 production and AVC and BD-J work flow was significant between July 2007 when the Paramount decision was made and in Jan 2008 when the Warner decision was made. That was a big factor in how both decisions went the way they did. The facts changed and helped create the different results.
06-13-2008 04:09 AM #158
^That is interesting to know. Like Windows Vista over the same time period, it looks like the AVC/BD-J tools were updated to make them more user-friendly and we all did ultimately benefit as a result.
06-13-2008 04:26 AM #159
Blu-ray fan bots will claim that Blu-ray software sales were decisive, but I'm pretty sure that they were rather low on the list and Warner execs considered the Blu-ray software sales numbers title and promotional driven and head to head in comparable titles pretty close.
HD DVD did not sell enough hardware units to gain a decisive win, and Blu-ray HDTV Blu-ray player bundles blunted a HD DVD Dec hardware sales win.
But Warner still had significant Blu-ray concerns on player pricing, BD50 replication capacity and yields and AVC/BD-J encoding costs and work flow. But as the tools got better , more powerful and easier to use, those concerns were mitigated.
With HD DVD failing to break out in 4Q 2007 and the industry and retail leaning Blu, it was the satisfaction of those concerns that enabled the decisive Warner decision to happen.
It was an acknowledgment of technical progress in Blu-ray in being able to scale up to mass market production levels more than any 2007 sales that were I believe much more important.
06-13-2008 07:32 AM #160
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I also still don't understand how (and why) WB obviously expected HD DVD to sell close or even better than br ??
They are the ones who went from HD DVD exclusive to neutral !!
So they, one of the most active studio with one of the largest movie archives, affected HD DVD sales more than almost anybody else.
Any idea ?HD DVD - the format that caused "sheer and utter panic" at the SONY-BDA !!
06-14-2008 09:27 AM #162
If you have ever tried to compress video, you know its a tedious process. A bitrate limit that is significantly lower than the other format just squeezes you that much more, into making sacrifices that may not be ideal.
Why handcuff the work? I dont understand that. I dont want 'good enough', we have politicians and Microsoft for that.
06-14-2008 11:27 AM #163
reported that the decision for Warner to move from HD DVD exclusive to neutral prior to the launch of both HDM formats was made at the highest corporate level. Behind the scenes though there were clearly decisions made/deals brokered to give Toshiba a leg up over the competition with numerous "unofficial" exclusives such as Batman Begins and The Matrix Trilogy. There was no shortage of people within Warner that were sympathetic towards Toshiba with Steve Nickerson - Senior Vice President, Worldwide High Definition (formerly of Toshiba) being the most prominent until he resigned late August of last year.
Last edited by Dave J; 06-14-2008 at 12:01 PM. Reason: added link to Business Week article
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