DL.TV says Blu-ray protective coating sucks, won't play after being scratched

[ed081873]

This thread is fucking pointless. I have been one of the biggest HD DVD fans on here and I know the coating kicks freaking ass. I got out the Blu-ray disc that comes with the PS3 and tried to scratch it with a few things and guess what? No scratches, that to me is one kick ass feature. It's nothing that I really need because I take care of my movies. I don't think HD DVD is bad for not having it and I do realize that Blu-ray needs it because of the way the layers are and that HD DVD doesn't need it but it's a good feature none the less.

I agree....Im a dual format supporter but tend to prefer HD DVD more, but the coating is a GREAT feature. Its nice to get rentals from NetFlix and Blockbuster and not have the discs scratched to hell. Just wipe with a micro fiber cloth and they are good to go.

[ed081873]

Who are DL:TV and why should we care?
My Netflix blu-ray's don't have a single scratch on them, but they come full of fingerprints and sometimes skip/won't play for this reason. I wipe them off with a paper towel, and they're gone, if I did the same thing with DVD's, they'd have new scratches in them. Not to mention a lot of DVD's arrive scratched and unplayable. The scratch protection may not protect against steel wool but as long as it protects against dust particles as I wipe the discs down, it's good.

Dont use paper towels!! Pick yourself up some micro fiber cloths at WalMart in the auto department, you get like 20 cloths for $5. They work best for wiping discs and cleaning your LCD TV screen!

[MidnightWatcher]

At those angles, all of the scratches are invisible. If you were right, you could find and angle where the gouge was invisible, but other scratches were highlighted. But you can't, cause you are wrong.



I know exactly why you don't get it. It's because loyalty to your brand is more important to you than reality. And that's why you are going in my ignore bin.

You will not be missed.

Oh noes!!!!!11111

[MidnightWatcher]

Look at how much wider that "scratch" is compared to the other scratches.
Look at how that "scratch" is the only one going in that direction.

Yes, I see that. Very easy to happen if a small steel particle was lodged under the wool.

[MidnightWatcher]

Isn't blu-rays coating Durabis also??

Only BD-R use Durabis, but BD-ROM that are used for movies do not.

It is according to Wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durabis

So either this test was rigged, or ... well, there's really no or here.

When will some people ever learn? Even the Wiki page plainly states that "both Sony and Panasonic have their own independent hard coating technologies that are primarily in use on Blu-ray pre-recorded discs."

[MidnightWatcher]

Sure... look at how blurry/soft that image is that you posted, add the interference pattern, and a wider angle - conceals it just fine.

But as I said in an earlier post - just look a frame or two either side, and it's there as plain as day.

There's probably a clause in his employment contract that prevents him from siding with Blu - irrespective of any facts or evidence.

I suppose you believe that George Bush and the US gov't ordered the attacks of 9/11. Word of advice - come back to reality.

[balthazarr]

Yes, I see that. Very easy to happen if a small steel particle was lodged under the wool.

Are you for real? And I'm the one with the theories???

Okay, let's for a moment jump into your fantasy, and assume a "small steel particle" was somehow "lodged" under the wool...

Where are the other roughly-parallel scratches surrounding the gouge? After all, if this lodged steel particle caused the gouge because a particle trapped under the wool was rubbed into the disc's surface, there'd by other scratches (similar to the other steel wool scratches seen on the disc) in a similar direction, right?

And - where was your particle in the shots of the disc show just after he'd rubbed it with the steel wool?

Let's compare theories, shall we (I've helped you by filling in some of the holes in your theory - these are italicised.):

* During the cut, they gouged the disc with the stanley knife seen clearly only moments before... lo and behold, the disc won't play.

OR

* A mysterious steel particle - that's thicker and more substantial than the rest of the steel wool - was trapped between the disc and the steel wool, marking the surface of the disc.

The rest of the wool did not mark the disc in the same way, only the steel particle. The steel particle was holding up the entire wool pad, preventing contact with the disc.

The mark created by the steel particle could not be seen the first time the underside of the disc was shown - but that's purely a lighting effect. After all, after they put the disc in the player, there was a power surge that took out the studio lights. Quickly finding replacements, the new lights happened to highlight the mark - which was there all along - better, giving us the ability to see it.

Occam's razor - look it up, you might learn something.

[balthazarr]

I suppose you believe that George Bush and the US gov't ordered the attacks of 9/11. Word of advice - come back to reality.

That's it... avoid responding to facts for which you have no answer. When did that gem get passed on in your training - pretty early on I'd imagine.

The fact that you (and a few others - though I note those posts have been removed) would even bring up Sep 11 is really a sad indictment on your character. Grow up and realise that there are more important things in the world than your precious format.

[hidefimports]

Occam's razor - look it up, you might learn something.

If you understood Occam's razor principle, you wouldn't have make this outrageous theory that:

1. DL.TV has agenda against Blu-ray
2. Robert has agenda against Blu-ray
3. Producers of the show conspire to cover up this agenda
4. The video editors conspire to edit out 3-5 minutes of the video that shows the Blu-ray disc loading up
5. Cutter knife was use to cut the Blu-ray to make Blu-ray look bad
6. DL.TV, Robert, the products of the show, and the video editors were too stupid to hide the cutter knife or edit out the video segment with the deep cut to cover up the conspiracy.

That's is what the Occam's razor principle says is most likely incorrect and a simpler theory would be more accurate.

1. Steel wool created scratches on Blu-ray

[quikric]

I hit a BD disc with a sledgehammer, then ran it over with my car, played frisbee with it with my family's pet Rottweiler, used it as a cuttingboard when making dinner, then used the disc to annoy a gerbil...

...and then it wouldn't play! BD discs suck!

Funny as hell!
Thanks for the laugh.

[DueNorth]

I finally got a chance to watch the video when I am home. Don't just watch the screenshots, watch the video and you can see that there is indeed a gorge.

It is true, that gorge pops up from the rest of the scratches and the direction doesn't match those of the wool scratches. Kind of weird.

Ah, MidnightWatcher is back... he is so against the anti-scratch coating on the Blu-Ray that sometimes I feel he has certain interest with disc repair companies.

[hidefimports]

It's pretty sad that some can't accept the fact the blu-ray disc are not indestructible and have to create some sort conspiracy theory in order to not accept reality.

[nokia6250tank]

... the dl.tv's response:

"according to Sony, they use a proprietary hard-coat technology called "Scratch Guard" - not TDK's Durabis.

Here is a link to a Sony site about the tech:
tinyurl.com/33ksot

As I showed, Sony's tech clearly isn't as tough as Durabis - I'm tempted to get some BD-R media from TDK and others to see how the toughness compares."

Great , next time they will try to prove that one BD's coating is better than others BD.... is BD's protective coating good? maybe some of them, maybe still all of them sucks because it would be worse if TDK's technology using to BD not DVD...

[LtLalue]

maybe this video's to biased for some...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5jEbZt6AIQ

shows you some guy going lightly over talladega nights with; steel wool, a pen, pizza cutter, then he actually scratches it with force from a butcher knife and it doesn't work...

this thread is a very weak arguing point if people are trying to argue this in favor of HDDVD...it is easier to find more cheaper priced blu ray discs than HDDVD's (that don't have this coating) so what does it mean?

[hidefimports]

... the dl.tv's response:

"according to Sony, they use a proprietary hard-coat technology called "Scratch Guard" - not TDK's Durabis.

Here is a link to a Sony site about the tech:
tinyurl.com/33ksot

As I showed, Sony's tech clearly isn't as tough as Durabis - I'm tempted to get some BD-R media from TDK and others to see how the toughness compares."

Great , next time they will try to prove that one BD's coating is better than others BD.... is BD's protective coating good? maybe some of them, maybe still all of them sucks because it would be worse if TDK's technology using to BD not DVD...

Did you email them? Is that the response you got from DL.TV?