Revisiting Toshiba Super Upconversion : It is really a super resolution 960p native

[g.k.]

The idea is fairly sound, although of course not for all material or scenes, and there are other limits such as MPEG artifacts that will forever limit how well it can be done.

But this will be great technology to have when we can super-upconvert our Blu-rays to 4k.

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by zeroprobe

How can you create detail thats not there in the first place ?????

They are located in other frames.

Super Resolution has been done in image processing for ages. It is just that Toshiba is now doing on videos in real time.

[cooper1010]

Originally Posted by Jason One

Then why were you such a huge HD DVD supporter? Shouldn't you have been railing against both formats all along, rather than rooting for HD DVD?

he's not an hdm supporter; he has neither players. he is a "champion of the people," a consumer advocate who is here to dissuade from buying into blu-ray.....and purchase superupconversion instead, i guess.

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by g.k.

The idea is fairly sound, although of course not for all material or scenes, and there are other limits such as MPEG artifacts that will forever limit how well it can be done.

But this will be great technology to have when we can super-upconvert our Blu-rays to 4k.

But people can't tell the difference between 1080p and 2160p.

[cooper1010]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Because we have new information.

I did go through Japanese presentation slides and can confirm super upconversion is indeed real-time "Super Resolution".

In other word, it is not upconversion at all as the name implies.

then post that, not an old avs thread. hey, aren't you supposed to stay out of avs?!

[Rishi]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Because we have new information.

I did go through Japanese presentation slides and can confirm super upconversion is indeed real-time "Super Resolution".

In other word, it is not upconversion at all as the name implies.

If the output resolution is higher than the source resolution it is upconversion. Simply because there are no scaling artifacts does not mean that the amount of detail is equal to that of native 1080p.

[DrCheese]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Most people can't tell the difference, hence no need for Blu-Ray.

But of course, there was every need for HD-DVD wasn't there?

I'm not saying that improvements in upconverion is a bad thing, we've got masses of amounts of SD content out there that won't be replaced for ages but for a known HD-DVD fanboy to now say that HDM isn't needed is pretty hilarious.
Super or not, upconversion will not replace proper HD and you know this.

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by Geoff Gibson

How does a studio make more money with this process?

They could reverse consumer spending slide on DVD.

Studios do not want to protect Toshiba's patents and licensing rights.

Studio's priority goes to protecting DVD revenue. Blu-Ray and downloads are of secondary considerations.

[Roshan]

Originally Posted by tolitzpogi

Wasn't talking about the DVD industry, I was talking about HD ... since they will lose their predicted profits when HD DVD loses, they will maximize their DVD royalties by making sure people would not consider HD if there's something "good enough" ... nice business tactic, I might say...

- T

Deadmeat seem like he does not care about HDM. Blu ray player p1.1 will probably be $200 this christmas. What price is this super upconversion, when will it come out? If consumers don't notice the diff between 1080p and unscaled dvds. what makes you think they will notice the diff on 720p TV. I think this will work good with all types of video. What happens when you have blur (fast camera movement).

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by DrCheese

But of course, there was every need for HD-DVD wasn't there?

This tech wasn't available in 2002.

[spicynacho]

Hey deadmeat, any idea for a pricetag on these super upconversion players? If they are using cell, don't you think they will probably be close to the price tag for a PS3?

And aside from the PS3, is there any device on the market that can achieve these results either now or in the future through firmware updates?

[Brahma]

Originally Posted by kulmbacher

And why would studios (who are pushing true HD formats) want to do that exactly?

Super Up-Conversion seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Doesn't exist?

Toshiba I'm sure considers losing the format battles to be a problem. What a wonderful way to land a low blow to the BD consorteum.

As wonderful as 1080/p @24fps is, A well transferred DVD scaled up looks pretty darn good, check out Star Wars scaled up, it really looks good. if that is all there was, I'd be pretty happy and I'm pretty finicky about PQ. I'm pretty darn sure, most people would settle if they can buy a DVD movie at 5.99 and it becomes near HD.

[mgardiner]

Not sure I see where this is a HD DVD v. Blu-Ray smackdown topic...

But maybe this explains Toshiba's crap HD DVD marketing campaign, they'd already given up and moved onto something else.

HD DVD :the sound of deck chairs being re-arranged on the Titanic

[txfeinbergs]

Originally Posted by Stories

But wouldn't this require 9 separate frames to recreate a 960p resolution image? There's only 1 frame of 480p data on the disc... where are the other 8 coming from to make this increase in resolution?

EXACTLY! This is crap. Either the data is there or it isn't... and in this case, it isn't! An algorithm is trying to guess what the data should be by doing frame comparisons. That might get you some improvement, but there is no way it is going to be the same as actually having the real data.

[DueNorth]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Yes. No need for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, high bitrate DVD + Super Upconversion DVD player or HDTV set is good enough for 90% of population.

Then no need for expensive blue laser... use the cheaper red laser in DVD players.

Now all you need is box it and sell it as a super upconversion DVD player for $199.