Revisiting Toshiba Super Upconversion : It is really a super resolution 960p native

[michealo]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Yes. No need for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, high bitrate DVD + Super Upconversion DVD player or HDTV set is good enough for 90% of population.

the same 90% of the population that claimed VHS was good enough when DVD players were expensive?

the nonsense returns.

[nextoo]

Hey if it makes DVD look better why not. Especially for those with large collections.

When Henry Ford rolled out the first Model A they didn't shoot all the horses did they?

[SRFan]

You cannot make something out of nothing. Super upconversion is still guessing what other pixels should be by looking at the neighboring frames. Again, it still is a guess, nothing else. It can be wrong many times, when there are pans, rapid movement scenes, cuts. It could only do reasonably well if the camera is moving very slowly and predictably. It will NOT be the same as 960p or even close to it.

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by Stories

But wouldn't this require 9 separate frames to recreate a 960p resolution image? There's only 1 frame of 480p data on the disc... where are the other 8 coming from to make this increase in resolution?

Front 4 frames and back 4 frames.

[tolitzpogi]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Actually Toshiba continues to make money on DVD as long as Blu-Ray doesn't take off.

Wasn't talking about the DVD industry, I was talking about HD ... since they will lose their predicted profits when HD DVD loses, they will maximize their DVD royalties by making sure people would not consider HD if there's something "good enough" ... nice business tactic, I might say... if not a tad desperate...

- T

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by SRFan

You cannot make something out of nothing. Super upconversion is still guessing what other pixels should be by looking at the neighboring frames.

But a damn good guess, of course.

[cooper1010]

why are we revisiting this? the thread you linked to was last posted in on 01/13 and has no new info. welcome back, by the way.

[crazzeto]

Originally Posted by Woody

Oooooo, ooooo does it come with lossy audio too?!?!


Can't wait!!!

I guess you must have missed all those reviews of the HD DVD resident evil imports (german) which have Lossy DTS-HD... The result was, compared to the TrueHD lossless tracks, you couldn't hear the difference... Check it out on the HD DVD section of HDD.

Anyway, with my lossless v. lossy argument out of the way.... Regular DVD audio won't be that good, on a decent sound set up you'll hear the difference. Still, this tech will be great on all those DVD's I own that I can't afford to replace.

[bgstewar]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Most people depend on a pair of cheap speakers attached to HDTV. Can't tell the difference between AC3 and Lossless PCM with those set up.

damn...thought you got banned!!

[Jason One]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Yes. No need for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, high bitrate DVD + Super Upconversion DVD player or HDTV set is good enough for 90% of population.

Then why were you such a huge HD DVD supporter? Shouldn't you have been railing against both formats all along, rather than rooting for HD DVD?

[zeroprobe]

How can you create detail thats not there in the first place ?????

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by cooper1010

why are we revisiting this?

Because we have new information.

I did go through Japanese presentation slides and can confirm super upconversion is indeed real-time "Super Resolution".

In other word, it is not upconversion at all as the name implies.

[Geoff Gibson]

How does a studio make more money with this process? How will this make people rebuy catalog titles and or spend more money on a next generation media? The point of next generation media from a studio (and CE) standpoint is new revenue streams. NOT supporting existing revenue streams.

Studios do not want to protect Toshiba's patents and licensing rights. They want to make money. Shutting down Blu-Ray to firm up the DVD business will not result in new revenues, just a return to the revenues they enjoyed before 2007. The studios want us paying $20+ for a movie not $9.99+

Why would a studio go for this? Why would other CE's do this and undercut a new hardware revenue stream? Why would retailers embrace this rather than new hardware?

[Stories]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

But a damn good guess, of course.

Then you're fusing 9 different frames together to extrapolate another frame? Sounds like there's going to be definite PQ issues.

[bgstewar]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Actually Toshiba continues to make money on DVD as long as Blu-Ray doesn't take off.

yeah, I'm sure they're making a killing on those $125 A3s...