Revisiting Toshiba Super Upconversion : It is really a super resolution 960p native

[Rishi]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

If Toshiba goes this path, then first thing they would do is ask the studios to boost DVD bitrate. In other word, the return of Superbit.

And the first thing the BD studios will say is "piss off."

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by SRFan

You are assuming all these 9 frames are identical, where in reality objects move around and the camera pans around.

Actually, super resolution depends on differences in pics to boost resolution.

[ScoBro828]

Originally Posted by michealo

still not impressed with "super upconversion", will have to see if it catches on. doubtful.

I am .. I would purchase one.

[tolitzpogi]

Originally Posted by Jason One

How exactly is this better than true 1080p Blu-ray?

Just a guess, but the contention is if it's "good enough" and doesn't make any difference to J6P's eyes, it should be a good competitor to HD so that it won't get as much of a mass adoption when HD DVD loses.

The Look and Sound of Good Enough... pardon the cliché

But hell, I'll buy one anyway... my existing DVD collection isn't going anywhere, after all...

- T

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by Rishi

And the first thing the BD studios will say is "piss off."

You mean studios want to hurt their DVD business by crippling DVD picture quality?

[Jason One]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Most people can't tell the difference, hence no need for Blu-Ray.

In that case, there was no need for HD DVD, either. Isn't that right?

[Rishi]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

You mean studios want to hurt their DVD business by crippling DVD picture quality?

Nothing is being crippled. Superbit had it's day and there wasn't much interest in it from the consumer. DVDs won't be downgraded, I'm just saying that studios are unlikely to rehash a failed concept which will cannibalize sales of their HDM products.

[tiberius]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Now that we know Super Upconversion produces 960p native output, this is a viable HD video technology able to compete with Blu-Ray, and 90% of consumers wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 1080p native Blu-Ray and 960p native Super Upconverted DVD.

And what about all the special features of HD DVD and Blu-ray? Don't you think people will want those? Even in a perfect upconverting world where upconversion is as good as true HD the additional features won't be available. And why would we want upconversion? Isn't upconversion merely an interim solution until we have everything in high definition?

[Roshan]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

You mean studios want to hurt their DVD business by crippling DVD picture quality?

Why superbit? bit rate does not matter

[tolitzpogi]

Originally Posted by Jason One

In that case, there was no need for HD DVD, either. Isn't that right?

"If we can't have it, no one can..."

Explains the whole point of this thread...

- T

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by Jason One

In that case, there was no need for HD DVD, either. Isn't that right?

Yes. No need for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, high bitrate DVD + Super Upconversion DVD player or HDTV set is good enough for 90% of population.

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by tolitzpogi

"If we can't have it, no one can..."

Explains the whole point of this thread...

- T

Actually Toshiba continues to make money on DVD as long as Blu-Ray doesn't take off.

[arrowspark]

I'm going to have to wait for a side by side comparison at my local best buy before I make any conclusions about "Good enough".

[Stories]

But wouldn't this require 9 separate frames to recreate a 960p resolution image? There's only 1 frame of 480p data on the disc... where are the other 8 coming from to make this increase in resolution?

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by Roshan

Why superbit? bit rate does not matter

It does for MPEG2.